As I predicted, Trump wins, Democrats steal

Trump has correctly announced he has won, and the Democrats are stealing it.

Currently on you tube. Make a copy, because likely to disappear.

Trump:

“We won’t stand for it” “We Did Win This Election,” “This Is A Major Fraud On Our Nation”

Trump’s victory was well beyond the margin of fraud, but as I have stated many times, there is no margin of fraud.

There is, however, a margin of plausible deniability, and this fraud is beyond the margin of plausible deniability.

Well, Trump goes to the supremes. And we shall see what happens.

The best outcome that might happen is: Trump wins in the supremes. The supremes are ignored. Trump reads the insurrection act. The generals disobey him. At some point, if all goes as well as it could, he calls out the militia.

If the supremes buckle, we are in trouble.

If Trump wins in the supreme court, he will initially attempt to enforce the outcome with loyalist cops. He may win with loyalist cops, but the militia are likely to be needed.

Pay no attention to the blackpillers who will say there are no loyalist cops. Trump has repeatedly demonstrated he has plenty of loyalist cops, and they have the advantage of unity of command. But things are likely to escalate from there.

In the color revolution script, the threat or actuality of US air force bombing is applied against loyalist elements of the state apparatus of coercion. In the US itself, this command may not be obeyed, which may put color revolutionary forces at a severe disadvantage.

463 Responses to “As I predicted, Trump wins, Democrats steal”

  1. The Cominator says:

    https://twitter.com/ChrisCPandolfo/status/1326998552179073027

    Michigan State Senators demanding full audit of everything… sounds like they aren’t going to certify the results otherwise.

    Don’t let blackpillers get you down we’re winning this war right now.

    • Pooch says:

      Good news but I only see 2 signatures there? Where’s the rest of them?

    • Strannik says:

      Excellent news, and I think you’re right, Trump is winning his war by doing what the Left has always done-keep fighting. It’s really pretty simple, if you want to win you have to play the game and keep at it.

      • The Cominator says:

        “Good news but I only see 2 signatures there? Where’s the rest of them?”

        When a couple of men step forward into the face of the enemy the others will follow lest they be shamed.

        • Pooch says:

          Question: if the vote goes to the house, we obviously win, but does Pelosi become Interim President until that vote is completed?

          • Strannik says:

            Probably not. You’ll note that there’s been an effort lately to unseat her as speaker.

  2. The Cominator says:

    https://amp.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/slow-leak-text-messages-cast-doubt-on-georgia-officials-burst-pipe-excuse-for-pause-in-counting/news-story/19176f5113512210517c82debe684392?__twitter_impression=true

    Got this link from BAP’s twitter…

    The slow votes in Georgia a lot of them were based on the “burst pipe” excuse. Apparently it wasn’t true.

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  4. 4d Chess Believer says:

    I’m whitepilled about what’s possible. Look at the IO MAGA launched in the early hours of Nov 4. The Orange One and MAGA operatives signalled before the election that preparations had been made to counter mass election fraud.

    The IO isn’t confined to online spergspheres either – the whole world is exposed to it! The whole world sees what they are doing! This is extraordinary!

    SCOTUS precedent may be one of the goals. This is not merely about winning this election but about kneecapping the Uniparty machines in every Blue city for good.

    Blackpillers are enemies. To execute the countercoup we must win the psywar.

    • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

      Rod Blagojevich’s interview today is great for this.

      https://hooktube.com/watch?v=L7sPNXFSwfs

      3.5 minutes long, straight to the point.

      • Mike says:

        Lol, why the fuck is he coming out on Trump’s side? Guess he holds a grudge against the Chicago machine he claims he tried to destroy (X to doubt).

        • yewotm8 says:

          He’s claiming he dindu nuffin but if his interests align with Trump’s then who cares, let him have it. One of the first defectors to the Emperor’s side.

          • Theshadowedknight says:

            When someone comes to your side at personal risk in an uncertain time, you take the help. Yeah, we can look at him askance, especially with his background, but if he backs our guy and gives Trump “broad, bipartisan support for ending election fraud,” then so be it. Besides, it looks like his own party did turn on him and fuck him over for whatever reason. If he wants to help us to return the favor, I’m game.

    • The Cominator says:

      Yes we need to signal extreme intolerance to defeatists and blackpillers.

  5. Diaz says:

    Hay rumores propagando que Nikki Haley y unos Republicanos han hecho un trato con los Democratas para traicionar Trump. Supestamente, Haley va a ser el próximo secretaria del estado.

    parece evidente que Trump está perdiendo su poder. Qué podemos hacer en este caso?

    • jim says:

      Lots of rumors are circulating. That one is quite plausible, but most of these rumors are circulated by our enemies to black pill us.

      Pay no attention, not because it is necessarily untrue, but because there is a lot of noise manufactured to distract and confuse you.

      • The Cominator says:

        Haley is someone the establishment GOP wants to be important for some reason but in reality shes just kind of a dumb broad. Not a demonically evil type like Harris or Hillary just a half dothead roastie picked out for high position because she is the only dothead female who was even a cuck republican and she reliably does what shes told by the cuck wing of the party. Trump sent her to the UN to get rid of her… he should have sent Romney there. Of course she’d betray Trump but that doesn’t matter because she doesn’t matter…

        As far as people in the GOPe who actually matter this is the most concerning thing I’ve read…

        https://www.centredaily.com/opinion/article246527648.html

        These are local PA state GOP hacks saying they aren’t going to do a thing. Still this is a sort of weak lawyer promise subject to reconsideration. Typical spineless GOP hack lawyer bullshit.

        If Trump and Mitch McConnell as well as certain GOP donors above them and their constituents below them lobby to seat Trump’s electors they’ll change their minds.

        As BAP says this is above all a battle of will…

        • Pooch says:

          I watched the PA Senate call today and they said ideally they have no role but they didn’t seem to rule out anything in the event of a non-normal election. They had big concerns with the PA Secretary of State bitch openly disregarding election law all over the state and called for an audit by Wolf. I have faith in them.

          • The Cominator says:

            Saw a post on freerepublic (though I can’t get the real link from it) that says the PA legislature has reversed itself and is now to do an election audit hearing.

            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3902843/posts

            If this is true this is of course the groundwork to name Trump’s electors, Georgia Wisconsin and probably Michigan to follow.

            • Pooch says:

              Who conducts the audit though? Will that even come up with anything?

              • Pooch says:

                If its Wolf and the other Dem governors than it’s basically pointless.

                • The Cominator says:

                  The legislatures will hold hearings to get an argument together for why obvious fraud was obvious before throwing out Biden’s electors and naming Trump’s.

                  This was always our easiest path to victory, most of the these state legislature hacks live in little town districts among the people they represent (not segregated as an elite class the way US Senators and most congressmen are) who tend to be fanatical Trump supporters.

                  If they want to keep their sinecures where normally they get paid 120k a year for 20 days of work (plus kickbacks) their interest is to make sure this fraud is thrown out.

                • Pooch says:

                  Van Jones was telegraphing Antifa attacks on their homes if they go down that path. Trump may need militia to provide security for them.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Antifa won’t be an issue in Georgia outside Atlanta because tons of armed rednecks and stand your ground laws, antifa in Georgia knows better than to leave certain parts of Atlanta.

                  PA Alito recently gave an order to seperate late from early votes (which I’m sure they cannot do because they mixed it together) but maybe the courts give us PA after all, still I feel better going the state legislature route.

                  As for the other states security can be provided… militia will be provided if necessary too.

        • Pooch says:

          I’m becoming blackpilled though, even if he gets PA, he still needs to win back 2 other states. Talk me out of it.

          • jim says:

            To get the states that were stolen, he has to get the supremes to disallow elections that are not conducted according to law, or he has to have loyalist spooks or loyalist cops arrest the malefactors.

            The supremes will be ignored, so either way it is going to come down to violence, violence whose legality will be strongly disputed.

            Watching his body language, he believes he has an ace up his sleeve, and a Smith and Wesson in his pocket. We shall see.

            He had hoped, and still hopes, to avoid using the Smith and Wesson, but the tide of history has him in its grasp.

            The Republic gave its last gasp at four in the morning on November the fourth, 2020. It is a new world now with new rules. Those who continue to operate by the old rules, will be killed – not this year, probably not for several years, but they will be killed.

            • calov says:

              By “he” you mean Trump, right?

              It doesn’t seem like it should be that hard for him to simply send in Feds and say–any ballots that don’t have “chain of custody” or whatever get tossed, or even just simply say–Wisconsin and Michigan’s elections are compromised. I saw some clip of Newt Gingrich last night and he seemed to think there would be no problem with Trump doing this, that there would be nothing complicated about it.

            • Strannik says:

              When I see the level of mendacity and malice on the Left for anything decent, so much so that they tear down even basic natural goodness, things like intelligence and mathematics, so that even talent is suspect in their eyes, I see only demoniacs. I don’t know what scares me more, their abject stupidity or their evil.

              So given that, I know that we need leadership to defeat them, or it’s not that they will inherit the ruins, but those like the Muslims or the Chinese.

      • Diaz says:

        Ya he visto Laura Ingraham en Fox. Ella dice que “es importante que Trump accepte el resultado de la eleccíon en caso que se vuelva desfavorable para él”

        Me pregunto cómo los conservadores han promovido una mujer soltera (que no está casada) como un líder feminino para el movimiento. Me parece muy claro que “El Zorro” es comprometido y ahora apoya un golpe del estado de un gobierno legítimo.

        Trump necessita tomar desiciones rápidas antes que la izquierda tome control completamente del estado.

    • Atavistic Morality says:

      I don’t understand this glower strategy, trying to demoralize in terrible obviously non-native Spanish in an English speaking space… ?

  6. jon dough says:

    Thomas Wictor explains the role CISA will play in this drama.
    https://youtu.be/07KRFyarGyw

    • jim says:

      Summarising, Thomas Wictor believes that CISA is a loyalist spook agency under the DHS.

      And they are going to arrest the malefactors, he thinks.

      Well, we shall see. Are they loyalist? Trump has demonstrated he has loyalist cops. Maybe he has loyalist spooks. Given that his main enemy are the existing major spook agencies, the infamous three letter agencies, it makes sense he would have created a loyalist spook agency. And lo and behold, he created new spook agency, CISA, with authority and jurisdiction to deal with what is happening right now.

      Certainly CISA has evidence and plausible legal authority to arrest the malefactors. Will they do so?

      It sounds a little bit like Q’s stuff, but it fits.

      • jon dough says:

        And perhaps this monolithic .gov agency will provide a necessarily loud distraction while the stealth teams slip in unnoticed with their piano wire garrotes.

        I particularly liked this revelation for its apparent Sun Tsu optics.

    • Javier says:

      Wictor is a smart guy and an engaging writer, but I’m afraid he’s fallen for a lot of Qanon stuff. None of his “secret indictment” predictions re: Mueller, etc, ever came true.

      Q did not apparently predict this election result the way Jim and a few others did, so hopefully this will put Qanon to bed finally. But probably not.

      • jim says:

        Wictor is correct that Democrats fouled up as they did. Whether Trump has the loyalists to deal with it as legally and morally they should, and as is clearly their responsibility to act, remains to be seen. It likely that the agency was created to be a loyalist spook agency. Whether it is a loyalist spook agency remains to be revealed.

        • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

          They fouled it up because Trump successfully got most of his voters to show up on the day of the election, leaving less time for cooking and figuring out how much to cook. Cellphone cameras and amateur sleuthing do the rest. The war for now is how to aggregate and distill the information that is coming out (plus Hunter Biden laptop) so as to redpill the normies while the legal battle runs its course.

          • The Cominator says:

            Normies are redpilled if they paid any attention… only hardcore dems doubt fraud.

            • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

              There’s a big difference between 40% and 60% redpillers when things get past the legal battles. That lots of people know isn’t enough, the ones who don’t have to be confronted with what is known, and that needs comprehensible distillation of the knowledge into a narrative.

              The Biden stuff in particular is a mess but has an immediately relevant irrefutable conclusion that media are Baghdad Bob tier daily liars, something that normieland has not fully grasped even if aware of weak sauce shrug-inducing memes like “liberal bias” or “TDS”.

              The election analysis is still ongoing but punch lines are emerging like Biden outperforming Hillary and Obama only in the 4 cities that paused the count and found truckloads of mail-in ballots in the wee hours of the morning.

              • Cis Scum says:

                That’s the strongest argument we’ve got. A punchline as you say. Talk of numbers, statistical anomalies, anecdotes and one off irregularities doesn’t work on normies.

                The argument has three independent parts:

                1. Biden did worse than Hillary everywhere except four cities*. How come?
                2. In those four cities he massively outperformed Obama. How come?
                3. The miracle occurred at night after the observers had left. How come?

                *Milwaukee, Atlanta, Detroit, Philladelphia

                • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

                  4. Dead people voting en masse by ballots requested September-October as one of the mechanisms for running the fraud. This is another solid punchline but the data are still being gathered on how many easily proven cases can be found.

                  5. If thousands of dead people, that’s the tip of an iceberg of organized fraud.

                • Not Tom says:

                  Dead people voting is kind of a boomer meme, though. You’re obviously technically correct, but I think Cis Scum is onto something here. Normies and soft-libs who don’t grasp numbers very well are definitely going to grasp the comparison to Hillary, and if they say “well Hillary was a bad candidate”, they cannot possibly defend Biden outperforming Obama by that much, in only those few counties, and only in late-counted votes, and in just enough of a quantity to erase Trump’s considerable lead.

                  Can even the shittiest shitlib honestly say that Biden is more popular than Obama in any city, let alone those four?

                • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

                  I see dead voters as a second round of persuasion, the causal explanation for the bizarre pattern stated in the first round. First demonstrate smoke, then some hard evidence of fires in enough places to suggest arsonists at work all around.

                • Not Tom says:

                  The other thing I don’t like about pushing the “dead voters” meme is that if backed into a corner, one is liable to say “well fine, strike the ballots from dead voters”, and this will ignore perhaps 95% of the actual fraud.

                  You can see what they’re really up to by looking at what they’re trying to do in North Carolina with “curing” – they made up a bunch of ballots from voters who are real people, really alive, probably really residents, but who didn’t vote (or in some cases did vote, as we know from reports of people being told that they’d already voted). The signatures in these cases are of course fake, so the plan in NC is to vote “on behalf of these people”, and rely on the fact that, had they voted, they perhaps would have voted for Biden, as is often the case with e.g. youth and black votes.

                  And of course it was obvious that they had this planned months ago when they demanded universal mail-in balloting (without proper registration) in the first place.

                  So we should expect the majority of the fraud to be illegitimate ballots for legitimate or potentially-legitimate voters. I doubt we can check voter registration either, because they can simply claim voters registered when they really didn’t.

                  When you have an example of about 150k fraudulent ballots, I think it weakens rather than strengthens the argument to point to an isolated case of perhaps 10k bad ballots, because even a reasonable person might then say “I believe 10k but not 150k”.

                • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

                  As you say, dead voters in and of themselves don’t add up to a lot of votes (so far). But what is the larger fraud narrative that subsumes the deadvotes?

                  If it is several independent and presently unknown fraud schemes, one of which is dead voters, then the argument is that it is the tip of an iceberg. Fraud in one place, fraud everyplace.

                  If it’s faking ballots for large numbers of names on the voter rolls, without much analysis of whether they alive or likely to vote, and brazenly sending them in as Biden votes come what may, then the dead are merely a subsample and again the argument is “tip of an iceberg”.

                  One can run both arguments when talking about this since they reach the same conclusion.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  Unless i’m reading him wrong Hillary being such a terrible candidate is part of the point. Biden did *worse than Hillary*, everywhere in the country – except, just coincidentally, in those exact counties, in those exact states, necessary to flip battleground votes – really activates your almonds.

              • The Cominator says:

                You’re a genius…

                Though make sure we get our facts right there are probably a few cities with similar anomalous boost to give Biden his huge popular vote numbers.

                • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

                  As a rough initial list this has appeared

                  https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/

                  The sudden 100 percent Biden spikes (the instantly famous graph that goes vertical when 139000 votes come in, and the 23000 reported by Nate Silver as “all Biden”) are probably not ballot counts but retroactive changes to the tabulation. That is yet to be verified but the explanation has of course circulated. The graph is memetically wonderful and accurately captures the truth but could be wrong as a specific claim of fraud.

                  But there is other normie-worthy stuff there like the absurdly high Biden percentage lead over Trump (60% PA, 38% MI) in the absentee mail-in votes, that doesn’t exist anywhere else.

  7. Someone says:

    I wonder if you can classify two kinds of lefties. There are the kind that will stoop to any low to steal elections and so on because this is the right thing to do because of the evil fascists.

    However, there are in my view a second kind of leftist who can’t see that such things would occur.

    These are the kind that when they are proven wrong still cannot see it. Recently I had a discussion with a few young lefties on social media and when the argument was reduced to simply showing that one number was bigger than the other, they still couldn’t actually see that they had lost the argument.

    I think if Trump doesn’t throw down the gauntlet now there is a possibility that the sheer numbers of retarded leftists graduating from university will make it absolutely impossible to have anything other than a hard left government.

    I think that our side knows that the other side is fraudulent, the only question is can we retain power without serious problems.

    • Pooch says:

      It rather astonishing the mental gymnastics you can see them going through to distort reality enough to fit their narrative. It’s almost they are in a different dimension or something.

    • Not Tom says:

      There have always been the useful idiots. However, they still have the same basic thought patterns as the elite (i.e. always find a way to defect through superior holiness), they’re just ignorant.

    • Encelad says:

      I agree. From my experience, I can attest that the most blindfolded oblivious leftist seem to be the college graduated. Their stream of thought is so simple and naive that is actually sad. It can be summarized by:
      “It is impossible that the left committed fraud because we are the good guys and we don’t do bad things.”

    • ten says:

      Long ago, i engaged a leftist journalist in a long discussion, that ended up being over a hundred entries long. I was trying to convince her that if a population had constant immigration of foreigners, there would be more and more foreigners in that population over time.

      She could not believe it, she said it was impossible to see into the future and make such predictions.

      I completely believe she was being genuine, her brain could not process such statements.

      Debate and intellectual exchange are largely pointless excercises, especially when it comes to crowd control.

      • European Mutt says:

        Effectiveness of debate has been shut down for good by the rise of SJWs in about 2010. It continued to be fun but pointless for a few years after.

        I used to be a leftist of the second kind. In such instances as you describe, you are quite right, leftists are genuine. But it is the result of a combination of protective stupidity and laziness. The thought of foreigners outnumbering the native population is so hostile to their sense of morality (i.e. they still have some of their natural instincts preserved) they won’t allow that thought that this argument is correct to reach their conscious mind. And they have the media, universities etc. on their side to point to and just call it counterfactual or racist. I would have given that exact reply she gave you here about ten years ago.

        It’s not even that they cannot see or notice, as many cannot see or notice that Pakistanis write bad code or womens’ looks decline after 25. They see, and notice, at least some things, but are horrified and don’t allow themselves to draw conclusions from what they are seeing or noticing.

        These are not the high-ranking lefties, and may be less of a problem than the cuckservatives. Many of them will probably come around to the new reality soon. Especially women of course. I remember reading a comment by Jim some time ago where he said women don’t really have political opinions but get them from men. I think this applies to alphas certainly but when women are around betas a lot they also may choose to fantasize from afar about the ultimate alpha slavemaster coming to discipline them. It doesn’t make much difference whether that’s a leftist or rightist or Muslim.

      • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

        Journalists don’t go into journalism because they were good at mathematics.

        Among people who are good at it, most are either the Scott Aaronson true blue type who cartoonishly expend lots of excess IQ to find ways of disbelieving the arithmetic, or the more cunning socially aware kind, who privately get the joke and publicly shout “the emperor is clothed! (please sign my grant check)”.

        So it’s six of blue or half a dozen of Poz.

  8. Pooch says:

    There are already threats against the state senators by Antifa. Van Jones basically telegraphed as much on CNN last night. We are going to need to provide security to them and this needs to be organized quickly.

  9. The Cominator says:

    How many divisions does the Democratic party have?

    • BC says:

      They have lots of terrorists with state support.

      • Theshadowedknight says:

        They have no or close to no real fighting men. If Trump orders the militia to deal with the terrorists, it ends as Kenosha writ large. A small amount of pissed off right-wing men slaughtering many times their number in leftists. Antifa requires police backing and protection. If they don’t have that–if no air force to drop high explosives on the weaker, weaker; falling, falling side–then they die a dogs death, shot in the back while breaking and running.

  10. BC says:

    Reddit’s now mass shadow banning comments based on certain key phrases about ballot fruad. The clampdown is increasing.

  11. R7 Rocket says:

    My comment is in moderation.

    • R7 Rocket says:

      Trying to post comment again:

      Consul Julius Caesar was forced to cross the Rubicon because of a tainted voting process in the Roman Senate. The Roman Senate voted against Caesar despite one of the People’s Tribunes being beaten up (Mark Antony). Beating up an elected Tribune invalidated the Senate impeachment vote, but they voted against Caesar anyway.

      Similar to tainted votes being counted in Philly in defiance of a court order. That vote in PA is invalid, but Trump’s enemies continued these fraudulent counts anyway.

    • R7 Rocket says:

      I think “R u b i c o n” is in moderation. Posting comment again:

      Consul Julius Caesar was forced to cross the R u b i c o n because of a tainted voting process in the Roman Senate. The Roman Senate voted against Caesar despite one of the People’s Tribunes being beaten up (Mark Antony). Beating up an elected Tribune invalidated the Senate impeachment vote, but they voted against Caesar anyway.

      Similar to tainted votes being counted in Philly in defiance of a court order. That vote in PA is invalid, but Trump’s enemies continued these fraudulent counts anyway.

  12. R7 Rocket says:

    Consul Julius Caesar was forced to cross the Rubicon because of a tainted voting process in the Roman Senate. The Roman Senate voted against Caesar despite one of the People’s Tribunes being beaten up (Mark Antony). Beating up an elected Tribune invalidated the Senate impeachment vote, but they voted against Caesar anyway.

    Similar to tainted votes being counted in Philly in defiance of a court order. That vote in PA is invalid, but Trump’s enemies continued these fraudulent counts anyway.

  13. Dave says:

    Elections have worked this way in big cities for as long as America has had big cities. Boss Tweed never ran for office because why bother? He controlled the vote-counting, so he could hire and fire elected officials at will.

    City-dwellers tolerated machine politics because they were rootless folks who had moved to the city in search of opportunity. If Tammany Hall became too incompetent to keep the streets safe for business, people could just pack up and leave, voting with their feet.

    Not for a moment did Tweed or any other machine politician think their system could be extended to the whole country; they would not hear of such idiocy.

  14. Pooch says:

    In a statement, Biden campaign spokesperson Andrew Bates said: “As we said on July 19th, the American people will decide this election.”

    “And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House,” added Mr Bates, in apparent reference to the Republican president.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/biden-trump-us-election-white-house-b1644175.html

    • Atavistic Morality says:

      I hope they try.

      My God, I wish I was an American right now.

      • BC says:

        Realistically Trump going to have to arrest the Biden and Crew before we hit January.

        • Atavistic Morality says:

          Ideally a lot of people who need to be in a cage like the dogs they are will have men with guns coming to their homes to put them where they belong soon, many resisting, many dying the painful death that they deserve.

  15. Pooch says:

    I love how they are keeping Alaska open to steal just in case they need it if their math doesn’t work out. Wouldn’t it be the cherry on top of their blatant steal if Alaska put Biden over 270.

    • Javier says:

      I noticed that too. It’s beyond ridiculous to hold off on Alaska.

    • calov says:

      Surely they wouldn’t go that far.

      • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

        The phrase ‘surely theyve gone far enough’ implies a degree of conscious rectitude, which only applies to persons of honor and loyalty who are earnest in their workings towards a clearly defined objective.

        It doesn’t apply to people caught in the grip of a left singularity; they can’t stop even if they wanted too.

        When you have a ‘priesthood of all believers’, as is the typical condition of the post-protestant world today, then naturally all persons in such a space are instead transfigured into rivals to each other, in competition to set doctrine; such competition that is always and already the case, producing ever more reductively adulterated extremes.

        There is no such thing, in fact, as a ‘set doctrine’ in such a body; it is ever shifting, as each individual player must keep running to stay the same place in the status hierarchy. Yesterday’s avant-garde is today’s heresy. If they are not amongst the first one’s to champion the ‘next step’ down the line, they risk peril at the hands of those who do. Either you do the backstabbing, or find yourself getting backstabbed.

        It is the act of defection, *the change itself*, that is the essential consistency of the dynamic. The spiraling process must keep finding new positions to jump too, regardless of rhyme or reason, or else the whole dynamic collapses; the same way a shark must keep swimming, or else it drowns.

  16. Octavian says:

    It’s going to be a wild ride – but there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic.

  17. Mister Grumpus says:

    An amazing result of this crisis is that all of the “This is fishy! These guys are crooks!” righteous country club grumpy posting in the world no longer satisfies. It’s not helping. That salt has lost its taste. Back when I could safely retreat further into the ruin of the nation, it was sufficient. But not anymore.

    Their pogrom is locked and loaded, and everyone knows it, so anything — even if just words — that doesn’t lead towards actual winning gets flicked from my mental table.

    (Loser… shill… loser… shill…)

    How about for you?

    BLM made it very clear that they’re coming for absolutely all of us, through Big Tech, the Executive Branch, this Great Reset Dekulakization Pogrom and who knows what else. No fedora or bow tie can save anyone now.

    “Oh shit this really is it.”

    • Trad Larper says:

      Absolutely, only losers care about fairness. If they steal the election, steal it right back. I don’t care how it’s done, just win. It’s all that matters.

  18. Jew613 says:

    There is a rumor in Israel that a mansion is being prepared in the Galilee for Trump and at the least the Ivanka branch of his family in case the Dem’s fraud succeeds. That he will be given asylum and military protection if this happens. Even if true I doubt he’d accept it.

    • suones says:

      It is prudent to always have an escape plan. If SHTF, Don Jr is twice the man his father is, but the family needs to be somewhere safe. Zionist Jews are among the most reliable nation my (non-American) country has dealt with, and Jared’s children are of their own. So Israel would be a good choice.

      The Donald, on the other hand, has one final card up his sleeve. If (GNON forbid), he ends up getting Caesered, the United States of America are finished. I hope the Dems understand this, and I also pray that it doesn’t come to it, but Trump has successfully paired his image with Abraham Lincoln’s, for better or worse.

      That said, Trump should be prepared to die for his country. I would not be surprised if he stayed on till the end. As a great American prophet once said, Death is not the worst of evils.

    • Eli says:

      If the Israelis going to treat him like they treated Meir Lansky, who did so much for the State of Israel, I’d think about several other places before seeking refuge in Israel.
      https://www.nytimes.com/1972/09/12/archives/israel-refuses-citizenship-to-lansky-but-offers-him-special-travel.html

  19. BigChungus says:

    If there’s any real proof it will come out in court. If there isn’t enough proof for a Republican packed court to find reasonable cause then it’s safe to say the Democrates didn’t cheat.

    • jim says:

      Nuts.

      Cheating as you guys define it can never be proven, yet goes on right in people’s faces all the time.

      What matters is that state laws governing the election of the electoral college require provenance and chain of custody for the ballots, and these ballots appeared out of nowhere at four am in the morning of November the fourth with no provenance and no chain of custody.

      Therefore, should never have been counted, and having been counted, the election of electors from that state is invalid, and any purported electors produced by this fraudulent and illegal process have no standing, and are fraudulent and illegal electors.

      It is not our job to prove what no one can ever prove. It is your job to prove custody and provenance.

      We don’t have to prove that these ballots came from where they obviously did come from. You have to prove that they complied with rules designed to ensure they came from electors. You have to prove the election was conducted in accordance with the provisions of the state legislature.

      It is our job, not to prove cheating, but to prove failure to comply with laws – that these laws exist to make cheating difficult does not matter.

      Even if by amazing coincidence a big bunch of genuine Biden vots just happened to be counted at four am, that these ballots failed to comply with state law for counting ballots makes them invalid, regardless of whether cheating happened or not.

      • BigChungus says:

        “Cheating as you guys define it can never be proven”

        I’m not defining cheating. Trump is defining when he goes to court and presents his case.

        “It is not our job to prove what no one can ever prove. It is your job to prove custody and provenance.”

        If that’s going to be all that’s said in court then it’s going to be laughed out of court faster like a Loonie Toons sketch.

        • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

          This is not the time to allow lying blue shills free rein for DOS attacks. Don’t feed the orcs.

          The data to prove anything resides mainly in the hands of the polling offices and secretaries of state. There is an initial but rebuttable presumption that the count was legitimate, a lot of circumstantial evidence that it wasn’t, and additional information that will be developed and revealed in the course of the lawsuits. The poll counters and Democrats don’t get to merely yawn and mouth the words “prove it” to deflect allegations and buy more time. If they do and it succeeds, the more superficial the legal inquiry the more likely it becomes that extralegal alternatives will be pursued.

          Legal standards of proof have almost no relevance to drawing inferences about what happened and acting accordingly. Of course a shill would try to muddy the waters about this and demand that the case be tried here in the comments to his personal satisfaction. “Courtroom epistemology” is a tried and true shill play that raises its moronic head every time.

          • BigChungus says:

            “”epistemology” is a tried and true shill play that raises its moronic head every time””

            When you have no proof just calll the other side a shill and you win bro. The redpill has no need for proof. Escpicially the type that is actually useful.

            • Omar is just a Trump card now. says:

              Not our problem if you haven’t absorbed the evidence already out there.

              That you are a shit-for-brains shill running a spam attack is our problem, for as long as your comments can get through the moderation. If I were Jim I’d delete all of them wholesale.

              Over 1000 confirmed dead people (100+ years old) are currently known to be listed as having voted in Michigan. There is no “legal proof” just yet that they all voted for Biden but presenting the list and their voter data is enough to either compel action by a judge, or escalate the standoff by showing the judges are in on it.

      • BigChungus says:

        And if there was a way to cheat in a way that could never be proven in court you guys are cowards for not doing it yourself. Isn’t the entire fate of the white race or something supposed to depend on this race?

        Why wasn’t Jim out there doing this fullproof cheating instead of blogging?

        • The Cominator says:

          You need to control an urban political machine to do this you shill numbnuts.

          Wholesale cheating in small towns and such is much harder and has to be repeated in many places.

    • The Cominator says:

      This is a shill, we don’t even need a redpill on women test.

      Nobody who is not a hardcore Democrat Trump hater thinks they didn’t cheat. Nobody.

      • BigChungus says:

        Think shmink.

        Prove it in court. If you can’t stop it with violence. If you can’t even do that then all it shows is the redpill retards are all bark and not bite.

        • The Cominator says:

          Proving that the elections in certain states were fraudulent is easy statisticians could easily do so.

          Proving which ballots specifically were fraudulent will be hard (and I don’t believe the watermark crap as states print their own ballots, its quite possible the Democrats printed ballots later and used not quite the right ink).

          The courts are not how we get out of this most likely. The Republican state legislatures are either going to name their own electors or throw out their electors and kick the election to the house.

          If not that yes then violence. Trump Jr seems well aware that his entire family will have to flee the country to somewhere in the Russian sphere (though not likely Russia itself for optics reasons) or be murdered if Trump allows them to get him out of office. Melania having some similarities with Theodora is also probably telling Trump (as Theodora told Justinian) that she’d rather die as the queen than live as a fugitive.

          • Pooch says:

            You’re 100% TC, Jack Posobiec reported Melania is one of the most adamant in their war room pushing Trump to fight very aggressively in court or it’s not worth fighting at all. She won’t let him back down.

            • yewotm8 says:

              Legacy media declaring the opposite.

              https://www.thedailybeast.com/melania-trump-reportedly-joins-chorus-trying-to-get-donald-trump-to-concede-to-joe-biden

              They’ve gotten to the point where they are so incorrect and dishonest that you can determine the truth by looking to the opposite of what they say for answers. Like the bird that always lies in some logic puzzle.

              • Pooch says:

                The gaslighting is so strong and perverse now coming from the Cathedral and it’s brainwashed masses that it really does make you question your own sanity at times.

                • The Cominator says:

                  The weak link within the family is likely to be as always Ivanka (not Jared so much as Ivanka)…

                • Strannik says:

                  I know the feeling, really I do. I guess it doesn’t help also with the human material we’re working with either. So many people are entirely brainwashed by the evil charms of Modernity that they think in terms set by their own enemies. Even President Trump (who has excellent instincts on this however) tends to think in this way; ”What would Andrew Jackson do? What would Abraham Lincoln do?”, even as his instincts are those of a King not a President. He plays the populist and democratic game because he has to.

              • The Cominator says:

                I’m sure Posobiec’s account is right and the cathedrals is as usual a lie.

                Melania was though we don’t like to talk about this basically a former high class whore as was Theodora.

                No woman wants to go from very low to dazzlingly high status… then crash down to the status of fugitive. Melania was always going to react to this the way Theodora did.

        • jim says:

          Violence?

          You want violence?

          A short while ago Trump sent men with guns to the polling stations.

          We await the Holy American Emperor’s command.

          And when that command comes, we will deal with you as with Michael Reinoehl.

          • BigChungus says:

            “”The courts are not how we get out of this most likely.””

            You better hope they do because of you’re relaying on violence you’re essentially asking keyboard warriors who don’t even leave their rooms to turn into revolutionaries. Either that or Trump, who will not even officially be president in a few months is going to start a civil war on a basis of something that was thrown out of court.

            “We await the Holy American Emperor’s command.”
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

            ” Trust the plan! Any day now the happening will begin. Jim said while attending manditory white privilage reeduction camps,” Trump will return to save the world. Just like Jebus Christ!”

            • jim says:

              We rely on lawful violence. We await the holy American Emperor’s command.

              • The Cominator says:

                To agree with the shill on one thing Trump may have to give the command for blatantly UNLAWFUL violence at some point.

                Say he may have to give the order that congress and enough state legislatures to pass constitutional amendments (to keep him president and give him dictatorial powers to punish blatant corruptio) be taken over all at once if legal options fail.

                Under the circumstances he has cover with normie Republicans to do anything.

                https://ibb.co/KK31f1f

                • jim says:

                  The Sovereign decides the exception to the rules.

                  We have centuries of precedent for presidents making some truly remarkable exceptions.

                  I am not being cynical here. You simply do need exceptions. The sovereign should not routinely make exceptions, but extraordinary situations require extraordinary acts.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “I am not being cynical here.”

                  You can never be too cynical.

              • BigChungus says:

                In 3 months the Emperor is going to be Biden unless Trump can win in court. He’ll be the one with the lawful violence.

                Good luck when that happens.

                • jim says:

                  For three months, Trump can command lawful violence, can make violence that would ordinarily be unlawful lawful, and Democrat blatant illegality has made legality irrelevant, giving Trump no end of excuses to make exceptions to legality, under the many, many, precedents and emergency laws.

                  Trump being Trump, and Trump being likely to be arrested and eventually executed if he loses …

                • jim says:

                  When Trump crosses the Rubicon, it will be no big deal because only people in Washington will know or care about the prohibition against crossing the Rubicon.

                  When and if Trump loyalists start arresting people for election fraud, then we see rioting.

                  Alternately, when we have rather too many electoral college delegations, then we see rioting. Which rioting will be intended to give cover to disloyal elements in the state apparatus of coercion to arrest the legitimate electoral college delegations.

                • Atavistic Morality says:

                  @jim

                  You should write down his IP address to give to the RWDS when the time comes so he gets what he deserves :^)

                • jim says:

                  I routinely record the IPs of shills, primarily for the moderation filter. When the time comes, start with the blue checks, and follow the money that was paying them. You need to cut off both the top and the bottom, so that the bottom rats out the top, and the top rats out the bottom.

                  When the time comes, we will seize computers with interesting IPs, and see what messages are on them.

            • Not Tom says:

              you’re relaying on violence you’re essentially asking keyboard warriors who don’t even leave their rooms to turn into revolutionaries

              SJWs always project.

              “Trust the plan!”

              We’re not QAnon, you stupid faggot. We’ve denounced it as enemy disinfo a hundred times, which you’d know if you actually read anything here ever and didn’t just get parachuted in from the latest boiler-room op.

              • BigChungus says:

                [*deleted*]

                • jim says:

                  Take the shill test.

                  People who argue against us in good faith are welcome. People who argue against us from a script they have been issued are boring and repetitive. We have all heard the script before.

                  If someone was arguing against us of his own accord, from his own computer under pseudomym, he would have no problem telling us “you are wrong about X”

                  But people who are shilling from a government or quasi government computer, on the payroll, on government or quasi government time, with a supervisor and human resources department, are forbidden to acknowledge that anyone thinks X.

                  The shill test is that you need to acknowledge the unsayable things we are saying, even if you piously disagree and offer a counter argument – which counter argument however has to acknowledge what it is arguing against.

                  The general purpose shill test, which so far catches all shills, regardless of which shill organization they work for, for is R7 Rocket’s red pill on women test.

                  For FBI shills: what crimes did Mueller commit or preside over during the Mueller investigation?

                  For Soros shills: What has Soros been up to?

                  For anyone who comments from within the frame “Hail fellow X”, and who sounds suspiciously not much like an X, I am apt to demand that he affirm basic doctrines of X. For shills claiming to be Christian, we demand that they affirm basic Christian doctrine on Christ. We are fine with people disagreeing with basic Christian doctrine (that is why I usually refer to Gnon, rather than to God) but not if the comment is from within the frame “Hail fellow Christian”. If someone purports to be a white nationalist, I always hit them with the Soros test, which so far has never failed. The guys who hate Nationalist Jews in Israel and Jews who wear funny hats always have a curious blind spot about powerful Jewish progressives in the USA.

  20. Mahmet says:

    Wow. Jim was right. I didn’t believe it, but Trump really did win and they really are staging a brazen coup.

    Trump will take it to the courts, but I’m afraid these judges won’t serve Justice. I am sure they understand that if the Democratic Party chooses to stage this obvious coup, they are willing to start arresting judges who don’t kneel before them. The judges may even be risking their lives if they back Trump. The CIA and FBI backs the Democrats. DHS seems to support Trump. The Democrats hold the balance of power in the capital city and USA economy’s “commanding heights” (media, tech., finance) is 99% Democrats.

    The Democrats hold great advantages here, so I expect they will prevail, and USA may head for dark times.

    • Theshadowedknight says:

      They control fuck all. We have the guns, which means we have the men with guns, which means that the media will say whatever they are ordered to and the banks will lend on the “full faith and credit of America and the guy over there with an M4.” Especially once a few Antifa goons get shot in the back of the head while “resisting arrest.”

    • TBeholder says:

      Besides the “Democrats”, who are mostly puppet theater after all, the real power structure (“Deep State”) obviously runs on blackmail to large degree. Or, as Jim once pointed out, they were confused by lack of goods on Trump because every Swamp critter is expected to “have goods on” adjacent Swamp critters, up and down the pecking order. What’s the chance of the judges involved being outside this food chain?

  21. notglowing says:

    https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1324544760607100929?s=21
    Is this a sign of the GOP establishment breaking for Trump?
    I feel like the result depends on that more than anything.

  22. Pseudo-chrysostom says:

    Easiest case to make if this goes the lawfare route is to just run the election again (as there is clearly no ‘complete public confidence’ in this one); this time with federal marshals (and the good men with good guns deputized for their posses) watching the people doing the counting – as what should have been done from the beginning.

    When regressive move their mouth parts to form sounds like ‘no evidence of fraud’, one might wonder what exactly would count as evidence in their minds (or analogous structure resembling thereof). The unspoken implication seems to be something along the lines of ‘no photographic videos of people printing phony ballots and delivering them by truck to counting stations’, which of course has never been the standard of evidence in matters like this at any point in history, no less today.

    • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

      Not that this is a time to stand on procedure no matter what paperwork is being dropped down the chute of bureaucratia; America’s enemies certainly aren’t hesitating in running their shenanigans; the blue tribe’s minions have already been out, making sure the vote goes the way they want; if you want to win, you need to have the balls to send your own stormtroopers out, to turn wish into reality.

    • Karl says:

      No, justifying a rerun is difficult. The easiest case is to say that electors of a given state have no standing and do not cast a vote in the actual election of the president.

      Otherwise a state would have the option of preventing election of any president forever simply by messing up the voting process inside the respective state.

      • jim says:

        The legislature of a state can do whatever it wants, including just appointing a slate of electors. Whether to hold re-run is up to the individual states, as was holding the original run.

        The obvious solution is just for the supremes to invalidate the elections of electors to the electoral college of certain states as not conducted in accordance with state law, and then leave it to state legislatures to sort it out.

        • Karl says:

          Yes, in principle the state could hold a re-run, but that won’t move the date when the electors elect the president.

          For practical reasons, a re-run is not possible, unless the date of the electors electing the president is moved. Moving that date is hard to justify

    • Not Tom says:

      The unspoken implication seems to be something along the lines of ‘no photographic videos of people printing phony ballots and delivering them by truck to counting stations

      They wouldn’t accept that either, simply say it’s “doctored” or “edited” like they do with Veritas videos.

      Remember who were dealing with; no principles, everything that sounds like a principle or demand is merely a tactic to gain the high ground.

      • The Cominator says:

        Leftists when they do argue argue in the way Hitler claimed Jews argue.

        “The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn’t help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn’t help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn’t remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.”

        Gradually I began to hate them…

      • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

        Yes, i was speaking more to the impression created in the folk who listen to such broadcasts. One may have heard more than one RNC critter go on the boob tube repeating the ‘no evidence of fraud’ meme as well, for example. Your assorted normies, cucks, and NPCs, will go along with almost any message if they never hear a different one.

        For them, a message that is unchallenged is also unconsidered, merely accepted, without much extraneous thought. The introduction of ‘static’, such as historical perspective pointing out the absurdity of such a message, plants the seeds that provoke cognitive dissonance, even when seen only in passing, and which thereafter may always threaten to bloom into crimethink. They read it, and now they can’t unread it.

        That was, after all, one of the big impacts teh intertubes had, in the early days; suddenly the monopoly of converged sources people would be exposed too, was no longer so monopolistic, and it became a lot easier to find other messages, saying ‘thats cow pucky (and heres why)’.

  23. Pooch says:

    Lindsey Graham And Cruz found their balls and through their support behind Trump on Hannity just now and called out the blatant fraud. Signs of life from the GOP.

    • Theshadowedknight says:

      Cruz has been talking fraud for a while now. At least a day. Lindsey Graham I dont trust except as an indicator of where the wind is blowing, and it looks like the GOPe is realizing that we will eat them alive if they abandon Trump.

    • Pooch says:

      Hannity just brought up seating electors directly to Cruz. He’s leading the charge right now. Even Tucker was too cucked to bring that up.

    • calov says:

      I just saw this, so you were right earlier.

    • Mister Grumpus says:

      If RINO’s will cuck one way, they’ll cuck another way in response to the correct stimuli.

      This is a neurohormonal battle dressed up as a legal battle. Trump’s voters know that a horrifically brutal pogrom is just outside their front door, growling and howling louder and louder every day that passes. So in the least feddish way imaginable: By January, who on Trump’s side will give two fucks about the law anymore, in their quiet heart of hearts?

      We’ve been witnessing the amazing power of optics and leadership this year. The right words, the right poses, at the right time. The master is at work, he saw all of this coming, and he knows this shit better than any of us. And now he’s fighting for his life.

      People don’t bounce back from having their faces crammed in shit overnight. It’s not biologically possible. The very same people went from hiding in their closets in June to shaking their butts with remoralized joy in October. We’ve been here before in very recent memory. Look back at the emotional trip that you’ve taken yourself since May.

      Not to suck up, but our J-anon friend here has been calling this stuff with amazing prescience. Start taking him even more seriously, and start appreciating the levels at which this thing is happening, simultaneously.

      • Pooch says:

        You’re absolutely right. The GOP was silent as BLM pillaged and burned their way through the country during the St. Floyd riots. Then Trump declares Law and Order from the White House steps and proceeds to have the scum and villainy pushed and beaten out of Lafayette Park. Suddenly, the GOP falls in line behind him.

    • Pooch says:

      White pill: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/ted-cruz-lindsey-graham-trump-election-1ff23822-6878-4d5c-98ef-aa07d7d492ad.html

      Also Van Jones is telegraphing mass BLM and Antifa riots if the states send Trump electors.

      • bomag says:

        mass BLM and Antifa riots…

        We are slated to get those anyway. They tell us the cause later.

  24. Fanged Pneumonia says:

    Influential Trump backers decided bad optics, ahem, foreign policy, had a long enough run and it was time to close up shop, Trump also knew this. In any case the neoliberals never got the shot and were getting too out of control. The J-left also had hang ups on the energization of Trump’s white base as well as the prospect the terrible foreign policy optics might start giving the game away amongst normie neolibs.

    With Biden winning we’re back to endless news stories such as, “Meet Kadija the 20 year old ballet dancer from Iran who dances for equality”, rather than the frankly more honest, “Trump just surprise droned the shit of Soleimani and moved 5 embassies in the last hour”.

    This would of course mean any subsequent lawsuits contesting the fraud (and there was fraud), are either run by people who don’t the shot, or people who know the shot but are tasked with painting a thin veneer of decency over the largely rusted and corrupt enterprise which is the USA.

    Would appreciate Jim’s take on the above. Thanks.

    • jim says:

      Obama, towards the end, was drifting rudderless towards great power war with Russia, and it took Trump immense effort and considerable political capital to keep the the ship of state off the rocks, and then eventually on a course away from the rocks.

      I rather expect, in the unlikely event of a Kamala administration, to learn if US nukes still work. I do not expect them to.

      America, under Obama, was like Serbia in the lead up to World War I, lacking sufficient internal cohesion to make peace or make war, thus presenting endless intolerable provocation for others to make war on it. As the Russians said, America was not agreement capable, and for the first Trump year and a half, it was still not agreement capable.

  25. Mike says:

    Nominally right-leaning papers starting to out themselves. What’s really funny is that this paper was the one going apeshit about Hunter Biden just a week ago. Just goes to show that they only care when things aren’t actually important.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20201106020347/https://nypost.com/2020/11/05/trump-to-speak-from-white-house-as-vote-count-leans-toward-biden/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

  26. hopinforabetterfuture says:

    This will go to a contingent election. there is no way this gets through the courts before the state votes are required to be certified. in a contingent election the house chooses the president and the senate the vice president.

    the vote in the house is done by state delegation and the republicans control 26 states and the democrats control 24 (i think Pennsylvania is split evenly D-R).

    • Contaminated NEET says:

      Why? Because an old piece of paper says so? There is zero chance this will be decided by a House vote, because that would go against centuries of propaganda about how democracy is magic and everyone’s vote matters. The President and the government as a whole would lose an untenable amount of legitimacy if they did it that way.

      Maybe, just maybe, if the entire press, entertainment industry, bureaucracy, and education system wanted to do things that way, it could work. Maybe. But they don’t, and they will be screaming at the top of their lungs if the House tries this.

      • The Cominator says:

        Legitimacy is already gone. Leftists never regarded Trump as legitimate anyway.

      • Javier says:

        They’re already screaming that Trump needs to be arrested before the votes are fully counted. (Keith Olberman twatter for some lulz). They’ve played all their cards and they’re mad that Trump isn’t folding the way cuckservatives always do but Trump never has… ( that’s what happens when you make pattern recognition a thought crime).

        A contingent election would actually be better since it’s a valid process even if untried, unlike just straight up marching troops into the counting rooms or faithless electors. Plus it would give democrats another round of hope to try to rig/persuade/intimidate the populace some more.

      • Theshadowedknight says:

        Blackpiller

      • Theshadowedknight says:

        Pussy

      • Karl says:

        Once a state government and legislature concludes that there was voter fraud. i.e. fake votes were added to the pile of valid votes, they can’t pretend that the elcetion for the respective state yielded a correct result. Whether there were so many fake votes that they flipped the state, is much harder to prove than that there was a significant amount of fake votes.

        What will the state then do? Go ahead with a result that is at best as legitimate as a coin flip? Not enough time to repeat the election in that state.

        Then a state delegation appointed directly by the state (governor or legislature or whatever) will look like a nioe solution. The state governemnt can honestly claim to be legitimate, the election with a significant amount of fraud looks far worse in comparison- even to people who believe in centuries of propaganda and the magic of democracy.

  27. notglowing says:

    Trump was very calm, confident in his address today, exactly what he needed to be. He stated he won, and he appealed to the integrity of the vote.
    He was a bit too tired sounding and rambled a bit too long but otherwise it was a good frame.
    Since the vote counting is now delayed further democrats cannot declare Biden the victor without being hypocritical and he can’t be the official winner until weeks from now. This works out to Trump’s favour.
    Also:
    https://twitter.com/carriesheffield/status/1324495136882106370
    I still don’t feel optimistic though, maybe I’m being too much of a pessimist.
    We don’t have all the cards to win, how do you prove the fraud? No smoking gun for now. And democrats tend to win whenever there’s any reasonable doubt.

    • R7 Rocket says:

      The Praetorians burn the fraudulent ballots. Of course that’s easier if there’s a favorable 5-4 SCOTUS majority for them and GOP state legislators in those swing states promising to install Trump electors just-in-case.

    • yewotm8 says:

      Legacy media cut away from him live and told audiences he was lying after it became apparent he was going to double down:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2020/11/05/broadcast-networks-all-cut-away-from-presidents-election-remarks/

      Inviting justification for punishment on an entirely new level.

        • Mike says:

          Interesting, I had no idea that they cut away. I watched it live on Fox, and even though the anchors were somewhat skeptical afterwards, they showed the whole speech.

      • Not Tom says:

        “Unsubstantiated”, “without evidence”, my god we’ve heard these buzzwords so many times over the past few months. I guess they must make their leftist audiences feel good about themselves, but they make me want to strangle them every time. 4 years of Russiagate and they’re going to lecture us about evidence?

    • jim says:

      We obviously need ballots with no provenance or chain of custody to be invalidated.

      No chain of custody, no provenance, is against the rules. We don’t have to prove fraud narrowly defined. We have to prove that the election was not conducted in accordance with the rules laid down by the respective state legislatures.

      • Contaminated NEET says:

        Can’t be done. Voting is magic and democracy is sacred. Doing it that way would invalidate at least some legitimate votes, which is a hideous desecration of the sacred rites of election. If some fake votes sneak in, that’s not great, but it’s not the end of the world. If even one legitimate vote is lost, then someone out there was denied their voice!

        • Theshadowedknight says:

          Cuck

        • Javier says:

          You don’t know how the sausage is made. Ballots get chucked all the time, it’s called ‘spoilage’. 1-2% every single election. People learned all about that in 2000 and they’ll learn again.

          • Contaminated NEET says:

            “Spoilage.” Nice. You see? They give it a bloodless little euphemism when they want to downplay it, because that know that it would enrage too many people. In this case, though, do you think they will want to downplay it? I guarantee you will not hear the word “spoilage” used on TV for votes torn up and burned by Trump’s oppression troopers.

      • Karl says:

        Proving that the election was not conducted in accordance with the rules of the respective state, should suffice.

        Proving a few individual cases of fraudulent votes, might also suffice even if those proven fraudulent votes are too few to change the outcome. Arguably , a few individual cases are enough to prove that the election was not conducted according to law.

        Anyway, we are now in uncharted territory, legally speaking. There is no case law that applies to the matter at hand.

        By now everbody must have noticed that politics is now done with (for the USA) unusual means.

        • The Cominator says:

          “Anyway, we are now in uncharted territory, legally speaking. There is no case law that applies to the matter at hand.”

          Not true.

          Bush v Gore and I believe there were other cases involving disputed elections in the 1800s.

          https://www.justsecurity.org/73274/no-state-legislatures-cannot-overrule-the-popular-vote/

          Now here is a shill article claiming the state legislatures can’t overrule the votes but it mentions the exception if an election has “failed”. Likely the judges will agree that a failed election is almost anything the state legislature decides it is… a lack of popular confidence in the result for instance.

          So it makes the point that as the magic Kenyan Octaroon once said YES WE CAN.

    • Javier says:

      Relax, this is huge. Throwing out the post-Nov 3 ballots is the #1 thing he needs.

      • Pooch says:

        How do you prove when they came in? Can’t they just lie and say they all came in on Election Day.

        • Not Tom says:

          In fact that’s exactly what they did in Georgia and Michigan. PA broke for Trump but GA and MI judges said “neener neener you can’t prove it”.

          But I don’t think anyone expected much from the state judges. In fact it’s surprising that the PA judge gave in; maybe he didn’t want to be on the chopping block when SCOTUS makes its decision.

          As Barnes likes to say, dumb and corrupt is an explosive combination. Philly district appears to be merely corrupt, while Detroit and Milwaukee are dumb and corrupt.

        • Javier says:

          Mail-in Ballots have to be meticulously logged and saved for review with envelope. Usually not hard because too few mail-ins to matter, but this is the weakness of the Covid election. Low-paid poll workers making tons of mistakes. I bet reams of them can be shredded as invalid.

  28. Mike says:

    Legit question, we all know that Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania are fraudulent. We know that the Arizona early call was fraudulent. Why though, am I not hearing anything about the absurd Georgia numbers? Trump going from a 6-10 pt lead to 0.3? Is everyone seriously entertaining the ability of Fulton county alone to win Georgia for Biden? Last time it gave Hillary roughly 220,000 votes, is that sufficient this time? Am I missing something?

    • The Cominator says:

      I’m surprised that they are frauding Georgia I have to wonder why the Republican Governor (who seemed like mostly a good guy during Corona) isn’t doing more to stop this Atlanta machine bullshit.

      • BC says:

        I’m beginning to think the GOP made a deal with Biden’s handlers.

        • Contaminated NEET says:

          Of course they did! And if they haven’t yet, then they definitely, definitely will. The Repubs are the Washington Generals of politics, and it is literally their job to lose.

          Now, they’re idiots if they think the Left will spare them because they’re “moderate,” “responsible,” or “bi-partisan,” but that’s how things worked for decades, and they won’t understand that things have changed until they’re standing before the firing squad.

          • Theshadowedknight says:

            Coward

          • Not Tom says:

            Are you running a demoralization campaign here or are you just emotionally incontinent?

            You’re not adding anything to the conversation right now, just repeating 4-year-old blackpill whiny bitch memes.

            I think whiny bitches should go on temporary moderation until they can collect their wits. Vox just bans them outright these days, and watching you, I can empathize.

            Get it the fuck together, dude. It’s one thing to talk about your fears or speculate about contingencies and worst-case scenarios, but you’re not even doing that, you’re just botposting the chicken-little script that we all got sick of hearing years ago.

            • Theshadowedknight says:

              Its so he has the satisfaction of being able to tell the rest of us “told you I was right” while we are against the wall like it will matter at that point. Of course we would be against the wall in that hypothetical if he manned the fuck up and did his part, but that would be hard, dangerous work. Much easier to spread doom and gloom. He better remember that this is escalating, and armies shoot defeatists.

              • Theshadowedknight says:

                Edit: wouldn’t be against the wall

              • Not Tom says:

                If they win, he’ll be right up against the wall next to us. He’d be wise to remember that.

                In fact they’ll probably shoot him first. Animals can smell fear, and the piss with which he’s currently soaking his pants is like liquid fear.

                • Theshadowedknight says:

                  If it turns into a fight, we are going to shoot him before they get the chance. Pissing and moaning, bitching, and complaining is a right of soldiers. Marines bitching isn’t a problem; its when Marines stop bitching that you have a problem.

                  No, what he is doing is defeatism, and its going to get him shot. Either we shoot him for disrupting good order and discipline, or the left will shoot him for whatever kooky reasons they dream up. I’m here to make sure it is abso-fucking-lutely clear that defeatism is low status; that defeatists are cowards, traitors, and losers; and that those that weren’t standing with us during the fight won’t be standing with us for the victory.

                • Mike says:

                  I mean, most of the stuff he’s been saying has been stupid, but I sure as hell don’t trust Establishment Republicans to show up when they absolutely have to. That’s why Trump needs to do his damnedest to show them the reality of the situation or just force through whatever his plan is himself. Of course some of them are better than others, Gaetz, Hawley, Cotton and Cruz being some of the better ones in my opinion.

                • Pooch says:

                  If Trump presents himself as the strong horse, they will follow him, as they’ve done before. Lindsey Graham is showing sign of support now after his speech.

                • Pooch says:

                  signs*

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  @TSK:

                  The question is: what are we doing here? I’ll agree that spreading defeatism among the ranks in time of war is a crime that merits punishment, up to and including execution. Even if that defeatism is true. You don’t talk up the enemy’s new superweapon with the guys beside you in the trench, even if that superweapon is very real and very powerful. However, the generals, the scientists, and the statesmen absolutely do need to talk honestly about the enemy’s superweapon and its capabilities so they can plan appropriately. So, what is it we are doing here? Are we the troopers in the trenches who need to censor ourselves to keep morale up, or are we the planners who need to honestly and accurately discuss the situation, no matter how dire it is?

                  The commenters here tend to be pretty sharp, and they have unique takes on things, but they are a very strange and self-selected group. The scenarios you scenarios you are spinning just don’t account for how mighty the enemy’s propaganda apparatus is and how ovine the normalfag masses are.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  If you wanted to talk that way, you could talk that way; the problem is you haven’t been talking that way, you’ve been talking alternately like a hysterical woman at some times, or like someone dropping propaganda leaflets on his enemies mocking their weakness at other times.

                  Having so far not demonstrated the ability to remain calm and dispassioned, nor the ability to speak of the situation without sounding malign at the same time, you thus rightly receive mockery in turn.

                • Theshadowedknight says:

                  1. Irrational optimism defeats rational pessimism.

                  2. You are reacting emotionally, not rationally.

                  3. Irrational pessimism leads to worse results than rational pessimism.

                  Q.E.D. You’re a fucking loser.

                • neofugue says:

                  NEET is mad because he is going to lose his bet with Jim and have to give up all his tendies.

                  Srsly tho, tendies is loser food. People above the age of 16 should not be allowed to eat tendies.

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  @Psue-Chrys and TSK:
                  Goddammit. I’m beginning to think you might be right. My comments lately have been more hysterical than insightful. I’ll cool it on the blackpills for a bit. I’m still 95% certain Biden will be the next Pres and Trump will not become Caesar nor the leader of any rebellion, and I reserve the right for some I-told-you-so’s come January, when I collect my mBTCs.

                  @neofugue

                  B-but, if I don’t eat tendies, what will I spend all my GBPs on?

                • The Cominator says:

                  TSK ABSO-LUTELY fucking right. Defeatism cannot be tolerated in the current situation. We need to have blind faith that Trump will win in the end and destroy the Democrats (followed by execution for anyone who dares say this election wasn’t stolen fraudulently).

                  Deus Vult and Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

          • R7 Rocket says:

            Unlike cowardly little Contaminated NEET, every single military, police and veteran including myself in my family (my family has a long line of Prætorians in its family tree) knows this is election fraud… and knows that Biden is illegitimate.

            President Trump has many Prætorians willing to obey his lawful orders, but Trump has to issue those orders and at the right time.

            • Theshadowedknight says:

              I’m looking around and thinking who I will shoot if God-Emperor Donald the Great calls me up. I’m not the only one. If this goes to the streets it will be brief and bloody, and there will be a lot of lefty apparatchiks a head (or scalp) shorter.

            • Pooch says:

              I don’t have much training, but I’m inclined to join the National Guard as the quickest way to the fight. If Trump loses, Comrade Kamala surely sends me to my death in Russia or China though. Good idea or not?

              • Theshadowedknight says:

                Find men around you. Try your local gun store or anywhere vets and the rightest right-wingers hang out. Let them know how you think, and that you want to learn, “just in case.” Build that reputation and take your lumps to earn an in. Thats about all you can do. Maybe start a neighborhood watch. I would not join the military as a white man these days, unless you can somehow get the training and then swing a positive discharge.

                • Pooch says:

                  Why not as a white man?

                • Theshadowedknight says:

                  Critical race theory is official DoD policy, and there isn’t a war, which means everything is extra gay, with a side of gay. Peacetime military sucks, and it gets soft unless you go play with the big boys. Also, if you joined now, you wouldn’t be done with boot camp before Inauguration Day.

                • jim says:

                  > Critical race theory is official DoD policy

                  Critical race theory has suddenly ceased to be official DoD policy.

                  Executive Order on Combating Race and Sex Stereotyping

                  Whites and males are now protected categories. Critical race theory is now officially racist and sexist.

                  pushing a different vision of America that is grounded in hierarchies based on collective social and political identities rather than in the inherent and equal dignity of every person as an individual. This ideology is rooted in the pernicious and false belief that America is an irredeemably racist and sexist country; that some people, simply on account of their race or sex, are oppressors;

                  To my astonishment, this order is being obeyed.

                • Theshadowedknight says:

                  Officially officially, or “officially?” Plenty of desk-riding pencil-pushers making those decisions and not fighting men. “Sure, Mr. President, I’ll get riiight on that.”

                • R7 Rocket says:

                  My commanding officer before I retired showed his misgivings about transgendered people joining the military by pointing out their huge suicide rate. The civilian bureaucrats promoting transgender in the military didn’t know how to answer my CO’s question.

    • Not Tom says:

      I guess the main reason no one’s talking about it yet is that Trump is still in the lead despite their fuckery and it’s not clear they can make up the deficit.

      Of course the numbers in Georgia are totally unbelievable, even if you include Californication.

  29. Pooch says:

    Esper preparing a resignation letter. Let’s hope the rumors are true and his replacement is Robert Wilkie, who appears to be a shitlord.

  30. Opioidus says:

    CROSS THE RUBICON, DON!

    • jim says:

      Burn the ballots that lack provenance and chain and custody. The ballot burners will likely need to shoot a few people for resisting arrest.

      Recount the ballots that have provenance and chain of custody.

      • Theshadowedknight says:

        Well, it begins.

        https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/5/justice-department-approves-use-armed-agents-inves/

        Barr is authorizing the praetorians to investigate the polling stations. Its a simple step from authorizing to ordering.

        • jim says:

          Chances are that during investigations, someone is going to get shot “while resisting arrest”. They already know that arresting people and handing them over to the judiciary does not do any good.

        • Not Tom says:

          Isn’t it a little late for this, though? “On election day”, it says – that was two days ago.

          I suppose we could take it as a sign that they anticipate a do-over order from SCOTUS.

          • Theshadowedknight says:

            You cannot have armed federal agents on election day. The instant election day ends you can swarm the polling places with armed federal agents to ensure a good count. Handy in case of a recount. Furthermore, it means Trump’s stormtroopers get to watch what is going on, and that means the local police get to follow Trump’s lead instead of the Democrat political machine.

            • Not Tom says:

              As I just now noted further down, a recount only serves to verify that the ballots physically exist, and says nothing about their provenance. As Jim says, have to burn the ones that lack provenance, but at polling stations where they boarded up the windows, all of the ballots lack provenance, there is no way anyone can know what they did, and even the ballots from legitimate voters may have been altered.

              For these 5 or 6 counties, have to invalidate the entire vote, not recount. Either nullify or hold another election. There is precedent for both.

              • Theshadowedknight says:

                Right, but whatever is done, Barr just gave the praetorians legal cover to do what needs to be done. The left will scream about having armed guards on the election. Barr said that if it isn’t on election day, it’s all good. That is nothing but positive news for us. Barr indicating support for the autocoup.

                • Not Tom says:

                  Yeah, I think I sort of get it. The usual suspects would like to cry “voter intimidation!” and this is their way of replying “nope, no voters here. do you see any voters?” Ballot-counter intimidation, for sure, but that’s the point.

                • Theshadowedknight says:

                  That’s it exactly. Someone crumpling up a ballot isn’t going to happen if he is being overseen by by a man who has an M4 in hand. No one gets to sneak in boxes of ballots without the stormtroopers taking a look at what’s in the box, man. The police can’t expel Republican poll watchers if they have to answer to better armed, better trained units of Federal Death Squads.

                  Also, the left was screaming about unmarked police snatching people off the street, black-bagging them, and jamming them a minivan to end up who-knows-where. Thats going to be in the mind of every shitlib tempted to play stupid games. That hysteria they whipped up over the Trumpenshultz is going to bite them in the ass.

  31. Pooch says:

    Whitepill legal analysis on why Trump will win PA after Supreme Court litigation. Apparently, the PA Supreme Court is just openly violating the Constitution.

    https://macris.substack.com/p/why-trump-will-triumph-in-pa-litigation

  32. loclun-midwyt says:

    Sounds like Mitch McConnell has cut a deal, Biden saying he will only pick centrists. Surely Trump would’ve expected the GOP to act like the traitors they are, so I doubt this has any impact.

    Bannon is calling for Trump to simply claim victory and start ruling, firing Wray and Fauci, investigating the Bidens and arresting Jack Dorsey. This seems like the way to go, while running the legal stuff in the background but assuming the legal win.

    Trump’s court ruling against PA not being obeyed at all, then quickly struck down by PA supreme court. Fake votes keep rolling in, Biden probably gets Nevada called for him soon.

    Some on Twitter thinking they are backing down from their fraud after Trump called their bluff. Seems naive, given new votes keep getting found. I suppose everything happening so far is expected as things escalate to SCOTUS, as you claimed Jim. Apart from all that, how are we tracking? Any thoughts on the watermark claim from the Q people?

    P.S. Jim a while back you said you were banned off Twitter and so went to Gab. Your account seems to still be open, just inactive.

  33. Atavistic Morality says:

    I’m wondering if I should become a leftist, I really wanna learn this necromancy:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/20/judicial-watch-finds-18-million-ghost-voters-in-29/

  34. ~satrep-pollyn says:

    According to my #BroResearch a “Geneva Fish,” DOB 12/30/2020, deceased 2006, is registered to vote in Michigan. As are many thousands of other centenarians, many thousands more than one would think possible. A lot of evidence relating to the means, motive and opportunity (see the Pennsylvania supreme court ruling on mail-in ballots) has been circulating around, and it’s quite clear this attempted coup has been in the works — planned out, wargamed, etc. — for months at least. I’m young enough that I barely even remember the 2012 election, so this little anomaly made this fraud feel “real” for me. Seems we’re on track to civil war by Jim’s proposed date. Let’s see how Trump handles all this.

  35. Shelby says:

    [*deleted*]

    • Sic Semper Tyrannis says:

      [*deleted for inability to respond to R7 Rocket’s Woman Question test, for being unable to speak of the deeds of Soros, and for inability to notice who is funding and organizing Drag Queen Story Hour*]

  36. Mike says:

    I don’t want to hear anyone talk shit about Franco or Catholics in-general again, this guy is the only member of any church in the entire country who still has balls. Look at this part of the statement:

    “We have seen the deep state organize itself, well in advance, to carry out the most colossal electoral fraud in history, in order to ensure the defeat of the man who has strenuously opposed the establishment of the New World Order that is wanted by the children of darkness.”

    https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2020/11/04/abp-vigano-to-american-people-wield-the-powerful-weapon-of-the-holy-rosary-do-not-lose-heart/

    • Not Tom says:

      Good for him, but Vigano isn’t the Catholic church, he’s one guy in the Catholic church who’s been put through the wringer by the Catholic church, so we’re going to continue to talk shit about the Catholic church.

      • Strannik says:

        He’s bucking for the top job. Not everything the Vatican does is understandable except in terms of long range plans, and when they sense the time has come for a change in strategic direction, a man like Vigano will become Pope.

    • European Mutt says:

      Individual Catholics are usually very pleasant and trustworthy people in my experience. Their faith is really in God, and maybe in Catholic tradition, not in the organization called the Catholic church.

      Catholic church is a breeding ground and international network for cuckservatives and the left (who are hardly distinguishable especially there). Unlike WEF it is not just a sinecure (although that too), but it has real influence on policy and the media worldwide. They not only went along with the immigration holiness spiral, they were some of the main DRIVERS of it. And let’s not forget the gay agenda and the ‘child abuse’, i.e. diddling young boys en masse.

      Most of its assets should be confiscated and sold off and churches given to priests and deans who swear loyalty to the new regime. Anyone above that level in the Catholic church requires careful vetting before being rehired. They can continue with mass in the Catholic tradition and Catholic holidays and they will find they don’t need a pope for that. Vigano can become Patriarch.

      • The Cominator says:

        The RCC was the main and original driver of mass immigration. Before JP II there were certainly some scumbag politicians in favor of it (like Ted Kennedy) but most of the left actually had the integrity to admit that mass immigration was bad for the working class.

        Cathedral consensus wasn’t for open until after John Paul II, he was the 1st true shitlib on the issue.

    • Pooch says:

      I’ve yet to see any evangelical leader in America call out the evil and satanism of the left like Vigano has.

  37. Mister Grumpus says:

    I agree that this is a brainstem-level contest, and that the letter of the law is a thin and weak container for baser urges, fears and needs. Still, though, I’m asking:

    What’s the For Dummies synopsis for why the Supremes wouldn’t just say “Well, states can send whoever they want, for whatever crooked reasons they want, because Muh Federalism.”

    You guys all know I’m lilly livered in times like this, but please tell me something. No one’s guaranteeing anything, but let’s talk OK?

    I also know that Trump is smarter than me, and has more skin in the game than I do, and he knows what it means to be called “Romanov” on TV. He’s 74, he’s reproduced already, and is ready to be a living sacrifice for the people he loves. So this doesn’t end at the Supremes covering their asses for the mob either.

    • Pooch says:

      In Kavanough’s opinion on the Wisconsin deadline, he stated deadlines were devised “to avoid the chaos and suspicions of impropriety that can ensue if thousands of absentee ballots flow in after Election Day and potentially flip the results of an election.” So they are on to the fraud.

    • Nicodemus Rex says:

      In theory, the Pennsylvania legislature can send whoever they want, but the executive branch isn’t allowed to arbitrarily adjust the voting process and override the legislature. The changes to mail-in voting have been implemented by executive overreach and not the legislature (see the ruling on the Wisconsin deadline), thus they can be overturned.

      • Mister Grumpus says:

        So like a voting rights thing. OK good. The Feds have certainly imposed themselves on the states before from that angle.

        This is great guys keep it coming.

        For every one of me there’s 10,000 guys out here too whipped and ashamed to raise their hands and ask for exactly this kind of information.

      • Not Tom says:

        Almost. It was the Pennsylvania Supreme Court that decided to rewrite the law, and as I’ve been reading this morning, the law literally says that any attempt to rewrite those provisions renders the entire law (including the ability to do mail-in voting at all) null and void.

        A judge took a law with a built-in self-destruct clause and just said “nah, fuck it, because uhh…. Covid!” There’s no legal argument whatsoever.

        I assume that Team Trump will first try to overturn that decision through SCOTUS (who never actually ruled on it), which would force PA to stop counting, and void all those past-due votes, and simply hand the state to Trump without the need for any other intervention.. But if SCOTUS backstabs or keeps delaying, then the “nuclear option” is for the state legislature to ignore the result entirely and send their own electors.

  38. Nicodemus Rex says:

    Has someone made a normie-friendly, big-picture explainer for why and how the Democrats stole the election? Anecdotally, the Trump voters and independents I know on the ground is suspicious, but every one of them has a different reason for suspicion, there are a bunch of “technically false” and “fact-checked” images flying around, and there’s no consensus narrative.

    • Pooch says:

      It’s absolutely obvious and blatant. We went to bed with a massive Trump landslide. Woke up with Biden projected as the winner. No explainer necessary.

      • Mister Grumpus says:

        And this thing with them “finding” 28,000 Biden-only votes? What? Can anyone corroborate/link this story? I just can’t believe it (which has been obvious weakness so far).

        • Not Tom says:

          Where did you get 28,000? It was over 100,000 in both Michigan and Wisconsin (130k and 160k respectively, if I remember correctly).

          • Theshadowedknight says:

            It was 128K and change in MI. Just fucking appeared, and poof, Biden has the edge!

          • Pooch says:

            PA I think. There’s been 100% Biden dumps all over the place and continue as we speak.

            • Theshadowedknight says:

              Its been happening all over the place, but the specific instance being referenced was the 128K that dropped in MI that people were screenshotting and passing around. That is where Grumpus got 28K and Not Tom got ~130K. They are referencing the same event, and just unclear on the exact numbers. The same thing is happening all over the place as they scramble to undo the Trumpslide.

              • Not Tom says:

                Yes, and Wisconsin was a separate event – same thing though, 100% Biden votes just magically appeared.

                Also, several of them either were either down-ticket Republican or had no down-ticket votes at all, based on how the congressional numbers changed (or rather didn’t change). Which of course makes no sense at all.

                • Pooch says:

                  Yes, the Milwaukee dump in particular seems to be the most egregious given the total amount with more votes than registered voters in some precincts and the turnout outlier I’ve seen people saying. I’m guessing forgetting to steal the down ballot races was African incompetance.

                • Dave says:

                  When you have to generate thousands of votes in a hurry, just fill in “Biden” on each ballot and don’t bother with the other races.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Perfectly copied ink blots on ballots (if they used a printer) would be too suspicious and enable proof of fraud so they had to fill in Biden by hand and they had to do it in a limited time.

                  So in some cases they just filled out Biden and didn’t waste time with the down ticket races.

                • Not Tom says:

                  Indeed – what I meant was that it makes no sense that actual voters would do that in such large numbers, and only in those particular counties in those particular battleground states. The only explanations that are even remotely plausible all involve fraudulent ballots.

              • Pooch says:

                Right. The overnight 128k dump in MI (100% Biden) and 169k dump in WI (85% Biden) convientantly made after the GOP count watchers left for the night are the biggest ones.

                • Coverage Wave says:

                  Supposedly the MI spike was due to a typo, a “0” being added to the end of a small county’s reporting.

                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/04/fact-check-typo-led-false-post-michigan-votes-biden/6164385002/

                  But “fixing” it didn’t seem to touch Biden’s lead, and I’ve yet to hear an explanation for WI’s spike.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “Supposedly the MI spike was due to a typo, a “0” being added to the end of a small county’s reporting.”

                  Fuckoff shill, the spikes in Michigan and Wisconsin were due to fraudulent ballot dumps.

                • Coverage Wave says:

                  “Fuckoff shill, the spikes in Michigan and Wisconsin were due to fraudulent ballot dumps.”

                  If they actually had ballots to back the MI spike up, dumped or not, they never would have reversed it. There obviously is a lot of ballot dumping going on, and ballot discarding, and dead people voting. But unlike every other spike, the corporate press have actually acknowledged that MI spike, for some reason.

                  I was going to say nobody is stupid enough to dump 120,000 ballots into a county with 17,000 people. But this is the first election where a candidate has had the balls to publicly call that shit out and not back down. So maybe they expected to get away with it like they have every other election and got caught.

                • Pooch says:

                  Of course they expect to get away with it. They are openly barring the GOP from the counting rooms and rubbing it in Trump’s face completely confidently he can’t do shit about it. They are mistaken.

                • Not Tom says:

                  If they actually had ballots to back the MI spike up, dumped or not, they never would have reversed it.

                  There were two instances, and only one of them was reversed.

  39. I am praying for Trump to get through all this and get a second term which will gain us time to regroup and defeat the Left without much bloodshed of innocent people. From our own experience in India, after Modi won a second term, I know how much the Left can become demoralized when faced with successive defeats at the ballot.

    Besides, the world desperately needs Trump in the White House. Biden would empower and enable global jihad and also dangerously empower Leftist forces around the world. A democrat president will also throw away America’s civilizational allies to the wolves while making dangerously temporary alliances of convenience with mortal enemies of civilization.

    But it is heartening that I, an Indian, thousands of miles away from America can smell the fraud committed by the democrats even though news of fraud is suppressed in the legacy media. Even merely looking at the map of the US which is predominantly red, and the number of electoral college votes supposedly won by Biden, it is obvious that fraud has been committed and is being committed.

    We of the Right should not become disheartened, because we have that inherent spiritual power that the Leftists lack. Dharma is on our side, God is on our side.

    • A Honest Indian says:

      I don’t know the details of the American electoral process but The Left is discrediting itself as the longer it takes for them to “call” the election, the more suspicious it is becoming. As of now, the very fact that AP (which I assume is Cathedral-controlled) is still showing Biden at 264 and Trump at 214 and even AP has still not called the election. Surely all the votes ought to have been counted everywhere by now? Why is the map so predominantly red but Trump’s vote count is so suspiciously low?

      As usual they will try to muddy the waters, but it’s obvious even to neutral observers that the democrats are in the process of completing their fraud.

      • Pooch says:

        They are strategically stopping and starting the counts to wait and see how much fraud they need to make up the difference. Yes, you are seeing what we are seeing, the longer this plays out the more obvious the fraud becomes. Trump needs to continue to make their steal as obvious as possible.

      • European Mutt says:

        Exactly my thoughts. Anyone can see it’s ridiculous that it’s magically the swing states that took the longest to ‘count’. I can’t fathom why they didn’t just put some late mail ballots in California in as well to have something to point to–see this is not political we are just CoUnTiNg eVeRy VoTe.

        Now is a useful time to see who is truly on our side. The Guardian has weakened their rhetoric but they are still not discounting a Trump win. EU officials also wisely staying out of it. Slovenia congratulated Trump*. Every normie is not broaching the topic at all, meaning they are afraid to say what they really think. On the other hand the German libertarian-lite leader Lindner called Trump’s claims of victory ‘worrying’ on Twitter. This is someone who was dogwhistling like crazy for gun rights and against the ECB and called out Merkel as a socialist in 2018. I guess liberals gonna be liberals…

        Last time I tried to vote by mail in Europe, the nice lady at the desk who I happened to know (you still have to register if voting by mail) talked me out of it (the message was veiled but clear) and made me vote early instead. Everyone knows mail voting is rife with fraud and always has been.

        * https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-election-win-slovenia-janez-jansa-b1586241.html
        I would have archived it but archive.is is not working for me.

        • suones says:

          > EU officials also wisely staying out of it. … Every normie is not broaching the topic at all, meaning they are afraid to say what they really think.

          This is the reason I’ve refrained from commenting on this. I, a foreigner, have no horse in this race, except as an outside observer. I’ll find a way to work with whoever gets into the White House.

          However, as I am anon, I can safely say, “Godspeed, Donald Trump!”

          My mind told me to believe Jim but my heart didn’t. I hoped none of this would happen, and thought Jim was too paranoid about this. Jim was right, and I was wrong. This is a very big lesson for me to learn for my country as well. It is like witnessing the Red Army fight the Whites all over again.

          • European Mutt says:

            This is what I used to think for a long time too. I thought we’d survive Biden or Sanders. But I’ve changed my mind.

            Much of the West (i.e. American Empire) is lefter in many areas (no guns, bleeding the middle class dry to pay for ingrates, rolling lockdowns) than the US. Of course the US left leads worldwide in craziness when it comes to hating whitey.

            With a US as a Democratic one-party state (don’t kid yourselves, this is gonna happen if they win, first thing on the agenda will be statehood for DC and Puerto Rico) they will be able to export their madness to anyone willing or forced to listen, in addition to the madness that is already there.

            Expect whites-only lockdowns, daily five-minute-hates of the latest cuckservative who made a politically incorrect comment, 5000$ a month UBI for Muslims only (discrimination solidarity surcharge :)) and constant revision of ‘the science’ (i.e. religion), which of course ‘has always been this way’ and will be the new yardstick for every aspect of our lives. We are almost there anyway, hell depending on how you define those things, we already are! And the spiral will accelerate.

            There will be no time to implement a Great Reset, even if it were a fleshed-out plan and not just a way to solicit speakers’ fees, because it will be far more important to ensure a tranny quota in the 50-person Supreme Court or banning scales because they violate the feelings of People of Size.

            It will be the tyranny of blandness this time. The Modern Educayshun video is almost reality, and will become reality if they win. The killing (probably through medicalized putting-down at first, though soon with guns) will start when people passively rebel or act alarmingly not in accordance with the ever-changing ‘the science’, like deny the efficacy of the 27th lockdown or have sex and kids with beautiful women of their own race. Much technology will be erased because all the people capable of building and operating it were white men and ‘science deniers’. The internet will be the first to go, at least in a usable state. At some point society collapses because the tech it relies on doesn’t work any longer, at the latest when it regresses past the 1920s, probably sooner because of blackouts or hyperinflation. This may well leave us with a short-lived caliphate before conquered by China and Russia. Or we get a Stalin, maybe even a Napoleon, but I would not be betting on it.

            If Trump, or at least a solid Trumpist, can’t win this, the entire Western world will be devastated for decades to come. Maybe Poland and Hungary and everything east of those might survive and join the Russian sphere. I still believe everything will recover eventually, but it may be a lost century. And a very reactionary one either way. The left can choose to surrender, or wipe itself out.

            If you are Indian, Korean or Japanese you truly have no race in this horse, otherwise you probably do.

            This is not intended to be a black pill post. I just want to show what’s at stake. In fact I realized this horror scenario I just described would happen if not fought decisively a long time before I came across reaction. Now is the time to make sure it does not come to pass.

            We will defeat the satanic forces, everywhere. They are numerous, but they are cowardly and individually weak. Trump has an arduous, but hopefully not very long battle ahead of him. I will support him in every way I can even though I am not an American. Trump stands for life, glory and a bright, exciting future ahead, with a whole lot of change and risk. A whole lot of laughing and screaming and cursing and sighs of relief. All the left stands for is illusory safety and cowardice disguised as empathy.

            Besides, what Trump is doing might be a useful template for other countries in many ways. He will have it the hardest, after that it will get easier and easier.

            • A Honest Indian says:

              If you are Indian, Korean or Japanese you truly have no race in this horse, otherwise you probably do.

              Maybe not as big a stake as the western world but a Democrat president will definitely embolden India’s near enemies. Pakistan will rejoice because Kamala Harris is the pro-Kashmiri freedom spokeswoman that they need for propaganda war against India.

              A Democrat president will also embolden Chinese aggression. Mike Pompeo made a very categorical statement of US standing with India in the face of Chinese aggression. I doubt if a Democratic administration in Washington will be as forthright.

            • A Honest Indian says:

              In any case if Jim feels that I should not be commenting or asking questions to clear my ignorance on US internal politics I’ll refrain and stick to general stuff.

              • R7 Rocket says:

                @A Honest Indian
                A Biden administration would be a clear threat to India and its civilization. And Kamala/Biden’s puppeteers would try to restart the path to WWIII with Russia again, just like we were in 2015.

                • A Honest Indian says:

                  True. Trump has respected India’s sovereignty in a way no democratic president has. I believe that Trump understands the peace of Westphalia.

                • jim says:

                  Yes, I watched Trump’s speech in India, where he told Indians they had a right to be Indian, something I cannot imagine any president in recent times saying.

                  All Trump’s speeches in foreign countries have been strikingly Westphalian.

                  A Democratic president would have praised Indians for making such good progress in ceasing to be Indian.

                  Trump has had impressive success in negotiating peace in many places, partly because he is good negotiator, but mostly because he is sticking to a formula that has worked for three centuries.

                  This successful formula was abandoned by Wilson.

            • European Mutt says:

              Good points here. India is probably not a truly Westphalian equal yet. Thanks to phony decolonization.

              Another mistake soon to be corrected.

              • jim says:

                British decolonization was a conflict between local elites who rose by working for the East India company, and brownwashed international elites created by the London School of Economics. Which, with the notable exceptions of Singapore and Hong Kong and a few others, the international elites, having international backing, won.

                Indian socialism was not Indian, it was London School of Economics, and caused the usual massive poverty and economic stagnation.

                Nukes make India a true equal if it chooses to be, but as our Indian commenters complain, the Cathedral still has domination, through the people planted in India after the East India company was socialized and during decolonization.

                I interpreted Trump’s speech in India as encouraging India and Indians to step up to true Westphalian equality, but doubtless my Indian commenters are better placed than I to comment on it.

                • Ah, jim, unfortunately to explain all this, I need to explain the true history of Indian freedom struggle which has been buried, both by the British imperalists (early era progressives) as well as modern Leftists in India. I will be as brief as possible.

                  The truth is that, early Indian Independence was strongly Hindu Nationalistic and was a powerful sentiment sweeping across the nation, particularly after the British Crown takeover after 1857-58. The suppression of Indian and particularly Hindu culture under the new era British Imperialism (early progressivism as you not) naturally led to a strong resurgence of early Hindu Nationalism which the British feared more than anything else as a threat to their continued presence in India. By the late 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, they ruthlessly suppressed Hindu Nationalism by hanging these early freedom fighters or incarcerating them under horrific conditions in places like Cellular jail in the Andamans, whom they often dubbed as terrorists. Of course the Indian National Congress which loves to take credit for the freedom movement in India was nothing more than a cuck discussion group at that time. Note how the British dealt with real Hindu nationalists (hanging, incarceration and torture at Cellular jail under horrific conditions) while the cucks were mostly molly-coddled when put in jail at all (Gandhi, Nehru etc. had the privilege of writing letters/epistles in jail and never put to hard labour).

                  The British of course, could not fully suppress Hindu nationalism by terror alone and they took every opportunity to stoke up divisions in India’s independence movement by subtly encouraging Muslim nationalism while at the same time coddling the likes of Gandhi, who played into British hands by rejecting Hindu nationalism and embracing International Humanism as his religion and ideology for India’s independence. The product of course, of all this was Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the father of Pakistan. Jinnah was probably right in seeking a separate nation for India’s muslims, but tragically the Hindu cucks in the Congress wanted India to remain secular and multi-cultural even as they tried hard to avoid Partition. By the time of World War II, the British were edgy in India, because the religious tensions they had stoked in the 20s and 30s began to take fruit. Partition of India was inevitable. But the British did not want the blood on their hands and tried desperately under Mountbatten to negotiate truce between Jinnah and Nehru, which by this time an ideologically hardened Jinnah rejected outright.

                  India gained independence at a bloody cost of Partition which would have been great had it been a real Partition with a peaceful and organized transfer of Hindu/Muslim population, but it ended up being a genocide and forced migration of Hindus in newly formed Pakistan to India, while some Indian Muslims also voluntarily migrated to Pakistan fearing a backlash. The revival of modern Hindu nationalism was because of the severe disillusionment in Gandhi’s International Humanistic ideology which of course failed to stop the bloodshed and also failed to lead to a peaceful population transfer between India and Pakistan.

                  Thus India gained independence, but the imperfect and bloody Partition was a severe disadvantage from the start.

                  Ironically Nehru, who took over as India’s first PM and ruled for a few decades, made Soviet Socialism India’s official religion since the West (represented by British imperialism) was still an enemy in the eyes of most Indians.

                  Until recently, India has been ruled mostly by Leftists, mostly the Leftists of the Soviet school customized for Indian conditions.

                  Ironically the old school Leftists of the Nehruvian school who had adopted Soviet-style socialism rather than Western culturalism, which probably kept India somewhat immune from the cultural progressivism of the Western world at least until the economic liberalization of India in the 1990s.

          • Brother, I agree we can work with whoever is in the White House. But Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would embolden Chinese aggression against India and also help Pakistani ISI fund terror.

            Moreover the Democrats will go all out in their secular war by helping propaganda by the foreign funded NGOs against India’s so called “lack of religious freedom.”

    • INDY says:

      “Regroup” ?

      Get a grip

  40. Nikolai J. Fuentes says:

    “If the supremes buckle, we are in trouble.”

    What’s the plan if Roberts + Gorsuch cuck out? Besides enjoying the decline or moving overseas ofc.

    • The Cominator says:

      State legislatures refuse to certify electors or certify Trump electors.

      • calov says:

        Any chance that the Republicans in the legislatures of those states will actually appoint Trump electors? I kind of don’t think so. So what if they don’t? Does someone have a plan then?

        • BC says:

          If they fail to do so the republican party will collapse.

          • The Cominator says:

            They don’t need to appoint Trump electors they can just refuse to certify the vote for the electors on the grounds of fraud and throw the election to the house of representatives which will vote by state delegation (not simple majority).

            Trump wins in the end.

            • calov says:

              Okay, but there is a high likelihood that the Republicans will cuck out. Everyone is still wearing masks for COVID even though 60 to 70 percent of the country knows it’s nonsense. They know that they can pass off a fraud on the American people even if the majority of people know it’s a fraud. My fear is that the media has Trump painted into a corner because they already predicted he wouldn’t accept the results of the election. In the worst case scenario, when the GOP legislatures cuck, and the Supreme Court cucks, will some parts of the military coup on Trump’s behalf? Will militias take to the hills with sniper rifles? Or will it be just a matter of waiting for the buses to arrive to take us to FEMA camps?

              • Pooch says:

                Don’t blackpill. The Senate didn’t cuck on him during Impeachment when given the chance. The GOP fucks won’t stick their neck out the defend him but they’ll follow his lead when it’s safe to do so.

                • calov says:

                  It will also cost Republican state senators a great deal of abuse to appoint Trump electors or refuse to certify electors. They’ll be accused of “harming our democracy,” and your average Republican can’t handle being called a racist or any other iteration of “bad person.”

              • Not Tom says:

                “High likelihood”, “fear”, “worst case”, blah. Blackpilling doesn’t help anyone. What possible good do you think it can do at this point? Are you waiting for a hug?

                This is an existential crisis for the Republican party and that includes the judges they appointed. Why surrender if they’re just going to kill you anyway? I don’t think they will.

                • calov says:

                  It’s not blackpilling. If you think it is, you grossly overestimate the Republican party. Apart from a handful of good congressmen, they would all prefer to ides of march Trump and get back to losing for money.

                • Pooch says:

                  Why did they unanimously exonerate him (Except faggot Romney) during Impeachment then?

                • calov says:

                  I’d say because it was easy to reject the impeachment and because they had more to lose by impeaching him. Their voters wouldn’t stand for it. But GOP state legislatures that vote to reject the election results of their states, or to put in pro-Trump electors, would be taking an offensive move for which they would get a lot more heat.

                  Anyway the main point of my question was: what happens if the Supreme Court cucks and the Republicans cuck?

                • jim says:

                  I have faith that the supremes will not cuck. In which case Trump can send loyalist cops around, which may suffice, and if they do not suffice, read the insurrection act and send loyalist troops around with a loyalist chain of command. If the air force and navy bombs them, or if he cannot connect to loyalist troops with a loyalist chain of command, call out the militia.

                  But, you ask, what if they do cuck?

                  The problem is that the instruments of large scale cooperation have been systematically subverted, coopted and rendered dysfunctional.

                  If the supreme court cucks, the only solution would be Duterte. Just fucking send death squads around to places where the chain of ballot custody was broken. “Nothing to see here – we are enforcing the law, and they resisted arrest, with the result that they got shot in the back of the head. The ballots we are burning lack provenance, therefore worthless. We will hold a recount of ballots that have provenance.”

                  Does Trump have the balls for that? Well, he has enough balls, but the problem is he subscribes to a faith that is a heresy of the progressivism of seventy years ago, when it still wore a Christian and progressive skin, and that is a faith that definitely proscribes sending the death squads around, making the necessary high cooperation required for effective death squads difficult.

                  We see the destruction of any and all instruments of cooperation happening up close and personal as with the attack on open source, and the storm of paid and supervised shills, but of course state, Church, and accounting were the primary targets.

                  If we cannot cooperate through existing institutions, then it is all the way back to year zero and the dark age, the fall of Rome followed by institutional rebuilding. You cannot rebuild large scale institutions when under physical attack. So long as the enemy can coordinate well enough to send a mob around, cannot have institutions of large scale cooperation. So the dark age does not lift until the enemy has self destructed with sufficient thoroughness.

                  Section F represents a good start on repairing the state apparatus. Trump to win, has to be legitimate in existing standards of legitimacy and win by application of the existing state apparatus. If the state apparatus is so far gone that it refuses to acknowledge Trump’s election victory, then it is a write off. Buy guns, learn to build guns, follow Ivan the Troll, build connections with your neighbors, arrange family life so that kin stick around.

                  Russia can still make nukes, China can still make nukes. At some point America’s nuke capability is going to be tested, exercised, and found wanting. So move in to the periphery of the Russian and Chinese hegemonies. Russia is offering free land in Siberia, but the locals are alien. If there was large white refugee population there of people fleeing the American hegemony, it would be a pretty nice place, but right now it is not. (The emigres should of course convert to Russian orthodoxy, the uncucked Putinized version, celebrated in the art of the great Cathedral, and as soon as Putin is safely dead, build their own lesser Cathedral with a shrine to Putin to signal their loyalty to a monarch who is comfortably far away)

                  If it is all the way back to year zero and a dark age, we create new institutions of large scale cooperation based on encryption and the blockchain, from shacks in the backwoods with low bandwidth internet connections. It will take a while, but bitcoin, for all its grievious faults, points the way. When we can do large scale cooperation better than they can, conquer. But that is a long, slow path through a possibly lengthy dark age.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Calov you ARE being a blackpilling faggot. Talk to anyone who isn’t a doctrinaire democrat (and even some of them have admitted this).

                  They ALL know this is massive fraud even Nevertrumpers (except that colossal fakecon faggot Ben Shapiro of course), its going to be political suicide for them to vote to certify the Democrat electors by the time Trump gets done making a fuss out of it.

                  I know that Republican pols tend to be cowardly but they know the left probably intends to hang them anyway and they know the party is dead if Trump gives them a way to overcome this fraud (which is not certifying the electors) and that they don’t take it.

                  Trump would have never gotten the nomination if his supporters hadn’t expressed an absolute willingness to let the GOP be burned down and the country to go full communists if he wasn’t nominated. And back then we were only slightly under half the party… Now we have the entire GOP. There is no way the state legislatures will certify the electors when Trump gets done with this.

                  Of course any pretense of national unity or real Democracy is gone after that but its gone in any case if this fraud is allowed to stand. And yes leftist violence will go to IRA in early 90s Belfast levels but what can be done. Trump will eventually be able to crush them anyway.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Jim if SCOTUS cucks not the only solution, the GOP legislatures do not have to certify the electors and I think this is the way it is going to happen but maybe I’m wrong.

                  I was wrong in thinking the fraud margin would be not too much bigger than it was in 2016 because I didn’t think they were capable.

                • BC says:

                  >Jim if SCOTUS cucks not the only solution, the GOP legislatures do not have to certify the electors and I think this is the way it is going to happen but maybe I’m wrong.

                  That’s unlikely to get the sort of legitimacy needed to work because people have never heard of it. Military level force will have to be used if the SC cucks out.

                • The Cominator says:

                  There will be no legitimacy to either side after this election no matter what happens and the left rejected Trump’s legitimacy anyway.

                  Its going to have legitimacy among most people who aren’t Democrats all of who realize its fraud.

                  Its also happened twice in electoral history (John Quincy Adams and Rutherford B Hayes) as well so its not like there is no precedent for it.

                • jim says:

                  Trump’s legitimacy among Trumpists is sufficient for the death squad solution, but I lack confidence that he will carry it out.

                • Pooch says:

                  There will be massive demonstrations of Trumpers at the capitals that refuse to seat Trump electors. The GOP chair of Wisconsin already is saying the right things that he expects systematic fraud to be found during the recount. I don’t think they’ll cuck.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I think he will once legal channels of overturning the fraud are exhausted, Not Tom commented that when I suggested the Proud Boys and death squads solution I had high time preference (I do but I restrain the desire to make short term bad decisions by force of will most of the time… but hes right I’m innately someone with no patience) and I think he was right…

                  Republicans want Trump to exhaust his legal and political options before going Julius Caesar because that is the way most Republicans are… but they are now because the fraud was so blatant going to him the other way if the courts and the GOP both cuck.

                  Trump will exhaust his legal and political options (I don’t think the state legislatures will cuck) but if that fails he is going to cross the Rubicon.

                  Don. Jr will talk to him if he is reluctant…

                • The Cominator says:

                  Check comments in moderation…

                • R7 Rocket says:

                  Speaking of the death sq…. err, I mean armed Federal police officers.

                  “The Justice Department has approved the use of armed agents to investigate potential voter fraud at ballot counting centers, skirting the long-standing ban on the use of armed federal officers at polling stations.

                  Justice Department officials told United States attorneys nationwide in a memo that the prohibition only applies to Election Day, not the days after.”

                • The Cominator says:

                  Also on the idea that Trump will accept his fate after exhausting legal options.

                  In addition to Don Jr. no doubt counseling that he should call in his men and fight to the end I suspect Melania will also vocally tell Trump to stand and fight as well.

                  During the Nike revolt Justinian was all set to flee the capital with a few followers and some money taken from the treasury to go live in exile. Even historians who hated Theodora were all clear the reason he didn’t flee is Theodora screaming and shaming Justinian that she would rather be torn apart by the mob in the throne room and die as an empress rather than flee and live as a fugitive in exile. Being rebuked for cowardice by a woman (and as far as the rest of Justinian’s inner circle was concerned a whore) shamed them into standing and fighting.

                  Now much like Theodora Melania is a former high class working girl (we don’t often say this on our side but lets face it) who has risen to wife of head of state. I think she will react to the idea of fleeing and losing status in a manner similar to Theodora and with a similar effect…

                • Not Tom says:

                  If there’s one and only one thing that actually does concern me, it’s the persistent talk of “recounts”. Recounts are useless when the chain of custody has been broken.

                  In some versions of the machine operation, election officials copy original ballots (i.e. along with the signature), change the selections, and destroy the original. That’s nearly impossible to detect after the fact, unless you are willing to to go back to individual voters to certify their votes, at which point you may as well just redo the election.

                  Current evidence suggests they used much sloppier means of fraud, and many ballots could potentially be thrown out based on voter rolls, signature checks, etc. So I’m not saying the situation is hopeless, because it isn’t. But recounts may simply show that the counts are totally correct, that they legitimately counted a hundred thousand real but fraudulent ballots.

                  The only democratic resolutions that I would consider trustworthy are to throw out the votes for the entire counties perpetrating the fraud (and why not? they’ll cry “disenfranchisement” but it’s no worse than anything they’ve already done) or force a revote with armed guards at the polling stations. If they fall into the recount trap, they may actually end up increasing the apartment legitimacy of the fraudulent votes. They can also throw out only those votes counted after the proper deadline, but that’s essentially the same as burning the entire county vote, same outcome and same reactions.

                • Not Tom says:

                  Should have said “apparent legitimacy”. I hate soft keyboards.

              • Nikolai says:

                Not blackpilling quite yet but calov has a point. Over the past 4 years, establishment GOP had to be dragged kicking and screaming along every Trump victory.

                I have faith Trump will fight to the very end. I have considerably less faith that the establishment won’t backstab him. They’ve been standing around like potted plants for the last two days while Dems print infinity ballots in swing states.

                SCOTUS cucked on a handful of cases over the summer, still can’t believe he couldn’t get the citizenship question on the census. Maybe they’ll be better now with ACB, maybe not. I suppose we’ll find out soon.

  41. Beinhart Sternberg says:

    Fanciful, there is no way this will escalate into widespread violence to the level of requiring Airforce sorties over mainland US. The alphabet agencies would get involved in a decapitation strike removing trump from the levers of command, far, far, far before any of this spirals out of control. And even that is farfetched, Trump has shown a complete lack of spine to govern as is fit to achieve, his stated aims. He would immediately surrender to a Praetorian guard escorting him to Mar-a-Lago, or a fed pen, equally.

    In short Trump hasn’t the balls, he’s all bluster.

    • jim says:

      We have danced this dance before many times in the last decade, though never in the United States itself.

      And similar dances many times over the last millenium.

    • Not Tom says:

      Your “predictions” are duly noted. Now fuck off back to the cesspool of Unz Review comment threads and Zombie Twitter.

  42. Pooch says:

    White pill: https://mobile.twitter.com/Pismo_B/status/1324194879509995520

    Trump crowd growing in Maricopa County. Let these grow in PA and other states too. When he finally crosses the Rub (some reason I get moderated if I say the full name), it will be to a thunderous applause.

  43. Pooch says:

    Trump apparently still has a legit chance to win with PA and AZ. The Dems will obviously steal back another state if that happens but Trump should exhaust the legal vote path first to let the normies see an even more blatant extent of fraud before doing anything brash.

    • BC says:

      I don’t see how he wins PA. They doing things like finding 32k votes all for Biden in Philly. AZ maybe, but McCains family own that state.

      • Pooch says:

        Yeah obviously he cannot win, but let them keep rubbing it in the normies faces. I’m seeing even faggy libertarians getting annoyed with the blatant fraud.

        • BC says:

          Conservatives are so cucked. The Dems are slapping them in the face with with it and most are refusing to call it out.

          • Pooch says:

            DC is cucked, but I’m seeing formly cuckservative voters getting red pilled and not buying it. Like Not Tom said below, if the people refuse to believe this, he’s going to have the mandate to cross the Rubicon and shut this down with force.

            • Pooch says:

              DC is cucked, but I’m seeing formly cuckservative voters getting red pilled and not buying it. Like Not Tom said below, if the people refuse to believe this, he’s going to have the mandate to cross the Rub*con and shut this down with force.

              (For some reason i can’t Rub*con or I get moderated)

          • Pooch says:

            DC is cucked, but I’m seeing formly cuck voters becoming red pilled and not buying it. Let the case grow. Like Not Tom said below, Trump is going to have the mandate from the people to cross the Rub and shut this down with force.

    • pyrrhus says:

      Trump got 62% in AZ last time, should be an easy win….Way ahead in PA, only massive fraud could even make it close…

  44. Calvin says:

    Judging from the way that the GOP handly smashed Congress challenges and picked up a few seats while being completely silent on this obvious fraud, I think they’re in on it. It wouldn’t be out of character if they made some backroom deal to ignore the fraud as long as it didn’t go down ballot. Who the fuck votes Biden/Republican Congresscritter?

  45. neofugue says:

    As Jim predicted, Trump was cheated out of the election through Democrat vote fraud. The enemy is using COVID as an excuse to delay ballot counting in order to steal as many states as possible. All of this seems rather dire, as we know the permanent government will be against him these following months.

    However, let not the intensity of the contested election cloud our judgement, or lead us to despair.

    In order to stop the left singularity before we get a Stalin, we need a strongman to become powerful enough to make being far-left as dangerous as being far-right. If Trump does not become dictator we will receive Russian Revolution 2.0. If Trump was allowed to win legitimately, it would be much harder for him to seize power, and he would not be forced to cross the Rubicon.

    This voter fraud is the best justification for him to take full control over the permanent government and end the left singularity. It is something that Trump was going to have to face eventually, and it is best that he is facing it now.

    “We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact, there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!“

    – Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

  46. Jehu says:

    Jim,
    As I understand it, the legislatures, if they believe that the voter count is inaccurate or fraudulent, can decide not to certify the results and select their own electors. I assume this just takes a majority vote in both houses of a state. How likely do you see this taking place in Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania? For the legislature, you don’t have to pretend it is a judicial process. Just the 90%+ turnout of registered voters in WI (typical is under 70%) is very strong indication of fraud.

  47. The Cominator says:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2020-10-01/could-a-few-state-legislatures-choose-the-next-president

    It sounds like past SCOTUS rulings are that state legislatures are free to ignore their own laws, the popular vote and any veto and appoint state electors… given the fraud this is the way we should go in Michigan and Wisconsin.

    “The first decision was in 1892, when the court declared that “the legislature possesses plenary authority to direct the manner of appointment, and might itself exercise the appointing power by joint ballot or concurrence of the two houses, or according to such mode as it designated.”

    More than 100 years later, the court revisited the question in Bush v. Gore. In a little noticed but highly consequential passage, the majority wrote that a state legislature “may, if it so chooses, select the electors itself,” and it retains authority to “take back the power to appoint electors,” even if it formerly let the popular vote make the decision.

    In a July 2020 decision, the Supreme Court again declared that Article II gives state legislatures “the broadest power of determination” over who becomes an elector. However, the majority opinion did suggest that power might be subject to “some other constitutional constraint.”

    • notglowing says:

      Problem is most republicans in office are traitors and caused Trump issues when he was legitimately in office, expecting them to side with him and go above and beyond seems very optimistic to me. Still I would love to see it happen, but precedent of the past 4 years doesn’t make me hope for too much from them.

      • The Cominator says:

        Local legislative hacks in Republican districts (in Midwest MAGA country) will do this if Trump asks… they have much more to fear of angering their own party.

        This is his best road to victory. The SCOTUS judges may cuck on playing ballot referee but they won’t cuck on the idea that the state legislatures have the absolute right by longstanding precedent to do so.

        Trump needs to run ads saying the election was fraudulent in Wisconsin and Michigan and that the vote was stolen immediately and then ask the legislature to overturn the popular vote and name his electors.

        • notglowing says:

          This would be glorious if it works out that way

        • Kevin C. says:

          > they have much more to fear of angering their own party.

          Really? What’s the worst their own party will do to them if crossed? Does that include murdering their children?

          I’ve already seeing people say they expect ACB to rule for Biden… because her childrens’ lives depend on it.

          • notglowing says:

            “because her childrens’ lives depend on it.”
            That gave me a chuckle.

            • Kevin C. says:

              What’s funny about the left assassinating the children of judges who rule against them?

              I just earlier today read one of the regulars at Instapundit, first laying out a scenario where a judge rules against Trump, then soon thereafter one of their children dies in a “car accident,” and the judge finds on left on their desk photos of their surviving children and a note to “rule better” the next time, then asserting that things in this vein have indeed already happened.

              When one, and only one, side will literally murder your family if you cross them, which side are you going to fear crossing more?

          • The Cominator says:

            I was talking about state legislature people in Wisconsin and Michigan but NOW that you mention it.

            McConnell is standing with Trump says this is fraud and that the courts will decide.

            McConnell is much more likely to have a positive influence on the Republican justices than Trump is… McConnell is not always our best friend and not always our enemy but he is a savvy guy in DC and he is a pragmatist who would abandon Trump if he thought he was doomed.

            Very very good sign that McConnell is standing by Trump.

            https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-sen-mitch-mcconnell-says-courts-to-decide-disputes-in-close-election-races

            • notglowing says:

              IF McConnel is on Trump’s side (which I hope but have some doubts on) he will win.
              Anything is possible if republicans actually have a united front against the left, but they usually don’t, because some of them aren’t really right wing and believe in some kind of legalism and others are just progressives from 10 years ago.
              Leftists kill each other all the time but they always act together against right wingers.

              I don’t trust them, but imagine if they did fall in line behind Trump.
              Who could stop them?

  48. BC says:

    Jim,
    Any idea what happened to AG Barr? None of this crap would have happened if he was doing his job and if they had done it in the face of the DOJ looking into it fraud would be easy to expose and crush the left with.

  49. The Cominator says:

    “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress.”

    Wisconsin and Michigan have Republican state legislatures…

    I wonder if this article would preempt the governor vetoing the state legislatures of Michigan and Wisconsin for Trump given the very obvious fraud there.

    That might be a supreme court case we can win…

    • Pooch says:

      Trump just claimed victory in Michigan on twitter. He should just claim victory in every state and go from there.

  50. notglowing says:

    I am upset, they’re making me feel incredibly anxious and blackpilled and I hate them for it.
    I’m glad Trump is actually actively opposing this and not conceding defeat, this is the silver lining.
    But if we don’t win AZ or NV, I don’t see a path forward. Trump couldn’t prevent the cheating, and he just doesn’t have a smoking gun to prove it.
    To an external observer it looks just as if he lost narrowly, with no evidence to the contrary even if it’s obvious to us that he was cheated, but I don’t see how he can succeed here.
    Trump is always fighting an uphill battle against everyone in the government even when he is formally, legally right in doing what he does and now that’s not on his side since the official counts show him losing and the media already pre-emptively accused him before of not wanting to concede.
    I really, really hope Jim is right here.

  51. Oak says:

    This is the best possible outcome. Blatant brazen hard manipulation (vote-rigging) instead of the soft manipulation (import voters+control of MSM and universities) that seems to go over normies’ heads. I thought they might hold back if Trump’s support was too strong since the soft manipualtion will probably give them a lock on the presidency in four years time anyway. But they just did it anyway. A huge and unnecessary gamble.

    This should give Trump license with many normies to do the unthinkable and officially ends any pretense that this has been anything but a cold civil war until now. Otherwise Trump and his family are going to have to flee pretty quickly for their own safety.

    • BC says:

      I rather agree. The outcome I was seeing last night before they sent the fix into overdrive was too small of a victory to allow Trump to crush the left. A weak Trump just barely hanging on in congress isn’t what we need.

    • The Ducking Man says:

      But as normie I don’t see Trump having any smoking gun to show blatant frauds are happening.

      • The Cominator says:

        Everyone I know who voted for Trump or is a nonvoter who leaned towards not liking Biden more than they didn’t like Trump saw that obvious fraud was obvious.

        • Pooch says:

          Yes the evidence is piling up. There’s videos of Trump people barred from the counting rooms and them blocking the windows. I’ve even seen Biden supporters complaining about the whole process that it just makes us look sloppy.

          • Pooch says:

            Don’t need a smoking gun when its so blatant and widespread. They are just shoving it in Trump’s face at this point and acting he can do nothing about it.

          • Pooch says:

            The blatant stopping and starting of counts so they know how much they need to make up looks particularly egregious.

          • jim says:

            I predicted that the Democrats would engage in as much fraud as needed, predicted that this would be beyond the margin of plausible deniability, and predicted that the fraud would be carried out incompetently.

      • jim says:

        I have been checking some normies. Enough of them already knew that Trump won, and Democrats stole before I talked to them.

        • Not Tom says:

          Likewise. I overheard several conversations today in which people were talking about, not the election in general, but the obviously fraudulent votes in Wisconsin and Michigan in particular. And these were just regular folks in regular places. The blue-collar joes get it, my cucky Fox-news-watching relations get it, everybody gets it.

          Trump can cross the Rubicon at any time and the people will cheer him on. The judiciary and the government, that may be another story, but I think no matter what the outcome is, it’s pretty much the end of democracy (representative or otherwise) in America. It’s now a test of power and force of will.

  52. Strannik says:

    Goes back to the role Ginsberg had in the original get-Trump plan for 2020, and how her death messed up all their plans to a remarkable degree, I suspect.

    Biden’s campaign always knew he was naturally the underdog in reality and needs a tremendous amount of help every day. And not having Ginsberg on the SC without some way to negotiate their way through what was bound to be a contested election is almost a mortal blow.

    This really is going to go down similar to 2000, but not as long an ordeal.

    • The Cominator says:

      Maybe maybe not.

      Dubya had genuine GOP elite support and GOP lawyer support.

      Trump is despised by the filthy priestly subclass called lawyers and especially DC lawyers… also in 2000 they had a pro Bush initial count. The “initial” count this time is not on Trump’s side.

      Roberts is certain to side with the left, the liberals only need one other judge to say its not their place to interfere in state elections without clear proof or something. Leftist judges are good political soldiers in these situations, on our side don’t count on it except with Thomas and maybe Alito (Trump has himself to blame for appointing middle of the road likely to be confirmed judges rather than loyal stalwarts here).

      Trump is probably going to need to cross the Rubicon, the 1st step is asking armed supporters of his to come into DC and giving them deputy status.

    • The Cominator says:

      I have a comment under moderation here…

    • Pooch says:

      My god were you wrong with your Biden will concede on election night prediction. Not sure what was worse that or TC’s mooshele prediction.

      • The Cominator says:

        Jim sure was right that they were going to go all in on fraud if they had to doing all that was necessary.

        I saw a lot of “retail” fraud actions and thought that wholesale obvious fraud was not in the cards based on that.

        My greatest error here I believe is that belief… not the one that they would have nominated a more plausible figurehead.

        • BC says:

          You error is not understanding our foe as well as Jim does. Work on that and your predictions will be improve a lot. Diversity of opinion is useful, under estimating our foes is not.

          • Pooch says:

            If they are willing to crash the economy over a fake virus to hurt Trump in an election year (and get mail votes), they are willing to go all the way to fraudulently win the election itself.

            • The Cominator says:

              I had thought them willing of course but I had optimistically thought the scale of it beyond them to successfully execute because of the left’s IQ decay…

              I took the fact that project Veritas had caught low level leftists engaged in retail small scale illegal electioneering as further evidence the wholesale fraud wasn’t in the cards… unfortunately I was very very wrong. I’m not sure how they did it while maintaining opsec and not getting shut down by Trump and his people…

              • BC says:

                The issue Barr. If Barr had come down like a ton of brick on the small stuff that Veritas found, there wouldn’t have been a big steal. I’m deeply concerned about Barr. Any idea what’s going on?

                Once they got away with the small stuff they went for the big stuff. I’m rather glad they were clumsy about it. 136k votes for Biden only? Really stupid.

                • ten says:

                  I am hoping it’s a trap.

                  Figure out as many fraud vectors as possible, document, let them do it, call them on it.

                  It would put Trump in an optimal position to actually hammer them and legitimize systemic changes in the eyes of many.

              • Pooch says:

                Don’t have to worry about opsec in the big cities full of nigs. They actively barred Trump people from even entering those sites..

                • Pooch says:

                  Who were white and stuck out like sore thumbs.

                • Not Tom says:

                  I think it’s a red herring. The poll watchers weren’t/aren’t very helpful because the issue isn’t with the polls. The issue is with the chain of custody of the ballots after the polls, i.e. Republican ballots being “lost” and Democrat ballots being “found”.

                  It’s far, far easier to manipulate the final vote counts than it is to manipulate hundreds of thousands of real individual votes.

                • Pooch says:

                  Yes that’s what I mean they barred from the counting rooms and there is video of boards going up on the windows to block the view inside.

          • The Cominator says:

            I don’t claim to have as good an understanding of the enemy as Jim does at all.

            I had thought the scale of what they did beyond the modern left’s capacity because too many incompetent minions as well…

            On this I was blatantly wrong probably my most serious political prediction error in years, I maintain that Michelle was a reasonable and understandable prediction that I was wrong on but this one my reasoning was just wrong due to faulty analysis of information that I shouldn’t have made. The Democrats actually did this in a way that was well coordinated and planned, it may be obvious but the right can’t always count on our judges especially once the phony ballots are mixed in with the real ones.

            • Pooch says:

              In hindsight, when it became clear the main goal of covid hoax was to get mail ballots in every state it was enough evidence that a concerted effort was being made for a long term plan to go all the way in stealing the election.

              • BC says:

                It really does seem that way and collaboration with the Chinese on COVID now seems more likely.

                • James says:

                  That’s my thought as well. I smell China all over this. They want America weak and we are incredibly soft to foreign intervention.

      • Strannik says:

        I mentioned he would concede (if given the opportunity, was my caveat). Biden is an old-school politician, and he’s not going to disturb what he feels to be his legacy; his families wealth and comforts and freedom.

  53. Yul Bornhold says:

    Over the next few months, how best to deal with Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.?

    At what stage would Trump send troops to seize their offices?

  54. pyrrhus says:

    AZ will definitely go Trump once the votes are actually counted, and “sharpiegate” is dealt with—Trump won big there in ’16

  55. Mike in Boston says:

    If Trump wins the supremes, the supremes will be ignored, as the election was ignored.

    This is a bold prediction. The country has been a kritarchy for decades, with the left wing pointing to the Supreme Court as the ultimate authority for each new bit of leftward social engineering they impose.

    So I would have guessed that while the youngest, wokest left wing cadres might have been ready to ignore a Supreme Court ruling, the older ones would not have been able to handle the cognitive dissonance of going against the institution they considered most sacred, or at least would not have had a narrative ready to justify doing so. So my impression has been that Trump winning the supremes would mean the end of the coup attempt, at least for now.

    If Trump wins the supremes and the left wing turns out to have a counter-narrative ready, perhaps one that (irony of ironies!) talks about federalism to assert the authority of Dem governors, that would be evidence against my guess and in favor of Jim’s bold prediction.

    • jim says:

      It is scarcely a prediction. The narrative for ignoring the supremes has been issued, circulated on their internal mailing lists, and has leaked.

      The decision to ignore the supremes should the cases not go their way has already been made, and they have prepared the talking points and narrative, and are developing the shill scripts. The shill scripts are still in development, so the narrative has not been finalized yet.

      • CorkyAgain says:

        To wit: “Amy Barrett is not a legitimate Justice.”

      • Mike in Boston says:

        The narrative for ignoring the supremes has been issued

        Wow. I continue to consistently underestimate the speed of progression leftwards.

      • calov says:

        Jim, are you on the internal mailing lists? Or are we talking about the things they release in the press, like that war game of the election when Podesta, playing Biden, calls for the secession of the west coast, etc.?

    • Pooch says:

      They were already triggered by Kavanaugh’s Wisconsin decision, labeling it a coup and “voter suppression”

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/us/kavanaugh-voting-rights.html

      They are likely to ratchet that up even more if Trump wins the supremes.

  56. Dimas says:

    It’s almost scary how much you know

  57. Karl says:

    If Trump merely brings this up.to the Supreme Court, he plays into the color revolution script as this would look weak and be weak.

    If he wants to look strong, he must also have arrests and prosecutions for voter fraud.

    There can’t be obvious fraud without a suspect. If no suspects arrested, either no obvious fraud or too weak to arrests them.

    If Trump keeps playing nice by not going after criminal opponents, success will be very difficult

    • The Cominator says:

      Trump told the Proud Boys to stand by, he needs to have them deputized with fully automatic weapons in the streets of DC now. Standing by for now but ready for action.

      • Karl says:

        The proud boys and militias can stand by for a few more weeks, but Trumps needs his loyalist cops now to investigate voter fraud in every county.

        • The Cominator says:

          You want Trump to look strong he needs to massively escalate now before his strength with his own people fades.

          Which means proud boys on the streets of DC now deputized under presidential authority. Followed by them arresting his enemies in DC under presidential authority.

          Followed by laws passed with the rump congress under gun to legitimize all this of course…

          Basically something like this.

          youtube.com/watch?v=GOlgZo5e7gI

          • Not Tom says:

            he needs to massively escalate now before his strength with his own people fades

            You say that, but I think you just have high time preference. You always want everything and you want it yesterday.

            I don’t know, maybe his strength will fade. On the other hand, maybe having people stew in the blatant fraud for several days or weeks will make them even angrier. Catch someone cheating at checkers, and you’re annoyed; catch them cheating multiple times and repeatedly insisting they didn’t cheat and actually you’re the one trying to cheat, and you’re eventually going to flip the table and punch them in the face.

            Again, I don’t know if he will win, or can win, or how. But with all due respect, I trust his judgment better than yours. Don’t be one of those “Trump needs to X”/”Trump should Y” guys, armchair presidents are fags.

    • European Mutt says:

      He should arrest them all at the same time or near the same time, just before the supreme court is in session. This may even disperse BLM and Antifa throughout the country so they become more useless than they are already.

      I did not expect the fraud to be so obvious, but, since leftists always project, they most likely wanted to provoke Trump into escalating violence first, whatever the cost, as they would. Make Trump caravans drive into crowds and score sympathy points. That is how they think. Since the election has not been officially called yet, Trump is right for sticking with a pretense of lawfulness. For now.

      Stay back, stand by is the right approach. Until lawfulness breaks down in earnest. Then move fast and start rounding up all of DC. It may well result a bloodbath. Like I said, leftists are dumb and insane, but they will be fighting with the back to the wall.

      If I am right, doing the same to Harvard as to DC won’t be very hard nor difficult to conceive of.

      • The Cominator says:

        Not saying to have the Proud Boys and other militiamen start arresting people quite yet… but they should be on the streets of DC now.

        • Pooch says:

          Forget the proud boys. Bunch of larpy fags. Trump’s praetorians are the United States Special Forces.

          • The Cominator says:

            Specops are not for petty policing no matter how loyal they are.

            The proud boys can do a fine job as Trump’s personal rent a cops whatever there shortcomings they are like the SA.

            • Vlad says:

              The SA at its height had millions of members. If Trump wants a true paramilitary, there will need to be encouragement and/or incentivisation from him for young gun-owners to join militias. The size of these groups will need to rapidly expand. Antifa and the antifa-aligned appear to far outnumber them currently, although they are less well-armed.

              • The Cominator says:

                The Reds in Weimar during the time of Stalin (although he wasn’t dictator yet) were disciplined brutal tough and masculine. Antifa and the leftists militants is a larp of this. Some deputized proud boys with local bikers and rednecks bolstering their numbers locally when needed should be able to take them if the state doesn’t intervene in their favor. The strength of the modern left is their massive dominance of institutions not their muscle. Thats why Trump needs to cross the Rubicon if need be before January 20th if all legal options for keeping the Presidency fail. The only real muscle the left has is warriors serving institutions who will follow any priestly order. Cops are far more inclined to do this then soldiers historically.

                There are no riots in Florida and most Southern cities because of well armed rednecks and bikers who are fucking hoping they riot and stand your ground laws. The 1920s and 1930s German reds would have fought them anyway.

                I hate the old left and the new but the left of the 1920s and 1930s were at least real men… not so anymore.

          • Vlad says:

            This. From what I’ve seen, a lot of militias are an obese LARP that would get destroyed by any squad of loyalist military or even SWAT.

  58. The Cominator says:

    Jim RE loyalist cops. They’ll be loyalist enough if they have color of SCOTUS ruling but they aren’t really say loyal to Trump.

    Trump needs an Eddie Gallagher death squad and a loyal army if it goes bad with SCOTUS and lawyers (judges are lawyers with political connections) just cannot be trusted…

    • James says:

      Nah, dude, have you ever hung out with SF guys?

      They are loyal to Trump. They are shitlords extraordinaire.

  59. Bix_Nudez says:

    I’m currently predicting a 269-269 split. Trump picked up the spare in Maine and a win in PA will lock the board. We could be staring down the barrel of a Biden-Pence administration if this goes to Congress for the decision.

    • jim says:

      Oh come on. The Democrats have just blatantly stolen all the states they think they need, and if they need one more, will steal one more.

      It is going to come down to the supremes, and if we win the supremes, down to loyalist cops, and from there possibly to loyalist military units, and very possibly from there to the militia.

    • The Cominator says:

      If it does go to the House of Representatives then Trump probably wins… as its the house of Representatives via State Delegations not majority vote, the congressman from Wyoming has as much vote as all of California.

      But as Jim says the stealing is blatant enough that they’ll steal more if they think they have to.

      • BC says:

        Margins are very tight in the house, likely bribery or blackmail will be used on several GOP house members to try and swing it. I’m not super confident about that option.

    • The Cominator says:

      Also win in Maine doesn’t lock the board, I put this in on 270 this would be true IF Trump had all of Nebraska but he lost an EV there.

  60. FrankieGTH says:

    It all makes for great theater.

    That’s all if is folks, the Great Reset, the planned WEF/Gate/WHO/BIS collapse of the global economy continues apace.

    Another year or two, hundreds of millions (maybe billions) of jobs lost for good, a serf class receiving dole from your fascist overlords, then the social credit scoring, the rfid chip, the fine gold bar tattoo (fineness 999, but 666 when presented).

    What to do, what to do.

    These are the issues ignored by Vox, and I think, ignored by Jim. Weird eh?

    • jim says:

      Take the shill test.

      This sounds like the shill blackpill script. Future comments from you will be deleted until you take the shill test.

      • FrankieGTH says:

        Bullseye, right on target, got ya.

        What’s the shill test?

        • jim says:

          The shill test is that you need to acknowledge the unsayable things we are saying, even if you piously disagree and offer a counter argument – which counter argument however has to acknowledge what it is arguing against.

          The general purpose shill test, which so far catches all shills, regardless of which shill organization they work for, for is R7 Rocket’s red pill on women test.

          For FBI shills: what crimes did Mueller commit or preside over during the Mueller investigation?

          For Soros shills: What has Soros been up to?

          For anyone who comments from within the frame “Hail fellow X”, and who sounds suspiciously not much like an X, I am apt to demand that he affirm basic doctrines of X. For shills claiming to be Christian, we demand that they affirm basic Christian doctrine on Christ. We are fine with people disagreeing with basic Christian doctrine (that is why I usually refer to Gnon, rather than to God) but not if the comment is from within the frame “Hail fellow Christian”. If someone purports to be a white nationalist, I always hit them with the Soros test, which so far has never failed. The guys who hate Nationalist Jews in Israel and Jews who wear funny hats always have a curious blind spot about powerful Jewish progressives in the USA.

          • TBeholder says:

            The guys who hate Nationalist Jews in Israel and Jews who wear funny hats always have a curious blind spot about powerful Jewish progressives in the USA.

            Hmm. Not unlike the “atheists”, spoiled little Marxists, white BLMs, many Fightan Against Lewdness crowd…
            This may be a core behavior stereotype of the nu-Puritan crowd.

        • Jatt Arya says:

          The shill test is as follows:

          Do you support honour killings?

          A) Yes
          B) Leave

          Also, didn’t the supremes already betray him on the 19th?
          https://twitter.com/Indian_Bronson/status/1323942785607716869?s=20

          • jim says:

            It is sufficient to acknowledge that I support honor killings, and acknowledge my reasons for doing so.

            Plenty of good people disagree with my stance on honor killings, and debate the matter in good faith. Which good faith debate demonstrates that they are not shills.

            • The Cominator says:

              Now is not the time to debate this but I’ve vocally and strongly argued against this (probably the only major thing I disagree with you on) and while I’m not perfect I do not think I’m suspected even a little of being a shill.

          • Coverage Wave says:

            The Supreme Court left it open for the suit to be re-filed once those ballots with postmark issues start showing up and real damages can be demonstrated. Which also stalled for ACB to get to her seat.

    • Hesiod says:

      With the handle FrankieG(oes)T(o)H(ollywood), he announces his expertise in weird, strange, uncanny, and downright queer matters.

    • European Mutt says:

      I always used to think UN officials or World Economic Forum attendees were some kind of hotshot ultra-smart elites. Then I had the opportunity to speak to some of them.

    • dee says:

      Frankie, I was asking in another thread why you seemed to think the euro would be the new reserve, instead of, say, the renminbi.

      You also say every nation’s leader is in on it. Is Putin planning to break his own middle class, like the West is doing? The Visegrad four?

  61. Calvin says:

    Why are they risking overturning the board when they have the long term strategic advantage anyway?

    • jim says:

      The inevitable logic of the holiness spiral and the left singularity.

      They are moving left faster than they can elect a new people, and will continue to move left faster and faster, until it all blows up, or until they reach infinite leftism in finite time, and, as in Szechuan province, everyone dies.

      • Calvin says:

        What makes you think he got MN, by the way? MI and WI I can see, but that shithole is American Sweden and just as cucked.

        • Javier says:

          Project Veritas somali vote harvesting.

          Biden got 290,000 more votes than Hillary while the turnout was a record setting 92%. Check it out now before the ministry of truth fixes the numbers

      • Sic Semper Tyrannis says:

        [*deleted for inability to respond to R7 Rocket’s Woman Question test, for being unable to speak of the deeds of Soros, and for inability to notice who is funding and organizing Drag Queen Story Hour*]

    • hcm says:

      There is no plan. There is no person or committee making decisions. There is no rationale. This is mob behavior, and mobs don’t have strategies.

      • jim says:

        Yes there is an enemy plan.

        The enemy suffers from divided command and an unclear and contested chain of command, but everything that is happening was planned from the top, and leaked years ago.

        • pyrrhus says:

          The sudden, panicky rush to steal several States within a few hours was quite amateurish and would have shocked the Chicago machine that originally devised the technique…More evidence of divided command and lack of control from the DNC…

          • Vlad says:

            The fraud is obvious from the statistics. But do we have any pictures or videos of shady goings-on? No. Anything concrete about what actually happened on the ground? Do we have any sense of how or where these fake ballots were manufactured? Any whistleblowers? Not yet at least. This was co-ordinated for maximum secrecy and deniability. All we have right now are the numbers.

            • Vlad says:

              The most solid thing I’ve seen so far is the dead people votes. Sharpies and window blocking are suspicious but meaningless until they can be linked to intent, beyond reasonable doubt, to manipulate the election.

            • yewotm8 says:

              They stole no more than they needed. They calculated and are continuing to calculate how many more ballots they need to “find” all the time. They delayed counts in several states in order to leave those states open to fraud later, just in case.

              Perhaps it would have been a smarter idea for them to do all of the dumping on election night so that they could have completely stopped everything by Wednesday and not have this drag on for an embarrassingly long time, but then the numbers would have looked even funkier. Committing fraud on this scale and getting away with it is very difficult, especially when you aren’t very smart, which is what Jim means when he says beyond plausible deniability.

              • yewotm8 says:

                I meant to post that in reply to pyrrhus.

              • The Cominator says:

                The most solid glaring stat for fraud that the media can’t muddy the waters on is the Wisconsin turnout %.

                90% turnout does not and cannot happen. If you think it can you are like the dumb Yokel here in Casino trying to argue that maybe the multiple jackpot hits in a short span of time are legitimate.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcZHSGyos6g

      • Javier says:

        Mistake to think this way, they actually have well organized groups ready to go with marching orders and plans laid out well in advance. There are no less than 4 communist front groups with pre planned riots in my city alone. That doesn’t happen by accident.

    • Sic Semper Tyrannis says:

      [*deleted for inability to respond to R7 Rocket’s Woman Question test, for being unable to speak of the deeds of Soros, and for inability to notice who is funding and organizing Drag Queen Story Hour*]

  62. Pooch says:

    Calls out the militia to do what exactly?

    • jim says:

      If Trump wins the supremes, the supremes will be ignored, as the election was ignored.

      If the supremes ignored, Trump calls out loyalist cops. Disloyal elements will attempt to defeat the loyalists.

      For example some elements of the air force might well obey orders to bomb the loyalists. Trump will likely need the militia to take the air bases, or to prevent their operation.

      This is the color revolution script, which has been played many times in many places in the last few years.

      The left singularity has played out many times in many places over the last millenium. The color revolution script has played out many times in many places over the last decade.

      • The Cominator says:

        So what do you think of my plan…

        Trump asks that the Proud Boys and Bikers for Trump send him each a 1000 good strong men to go to DC with automatic weapons to be deputized as federal “law enforcement” under Presidential Order…

        And that if needed he reenacts Pride’s Purge or Octavian’s Consular Speech with those men behind him…

        • Not Tom says:

          You’ve certainly got an imagination, but I foresee approximately zero chance of this happening.

        • Pooch says:

          Better to have retired combat vets do that like Eddie Gallagher. There’s a ton of Iraq and Afghanistan vets waiting to get off the bench.

        • jim says:

          Octavian’s speech ended, rather than prevented civil war.

          Which made the senate more inclined to listen.

          Pride’s purge was done by the man who had won one civil war, and was staring down another.

          Trump is staring down a civil war, but the men who remember the last war are dead, and so preventing the next may well therefore be more difficult

          • The Cominator says:

            Not the speech where he strongarmed the senate into declaring the assassins of Julius Caesar traitors… there was a long civil war after that or rather a series that did not end till after Octavian won Actium and marched into Egypt.

      • Pooch says:

        Also asked this question on Gab so feel free to ignore it there and vice versa, but why does Trump need militia instead of National Guard and Active Duty Army troops.

        • Shelby says:

          [*deleted*]

        • Reziac says:

          My guess would be something like:

          — militia are available, in much greater numbers, everywhere there are patriots of gun-toting age, and need not be authorized nor ‘deployed’.
          — militia are naturally Of The People, and therefore legitimize Trump’s claim with the rest of the public in a way that top-down enforcement (National Guard, Army) would not, thus preventing reflexive resistance from the you-can’t-make-me types. Instead, the you-can’t-make-me types willingly become part of the militia.
          — related, squads of your well-armed flag-waving neighbors make for better optics than tanks rolling down Main Street.

          • TBeholder says:

            Also, most likely anything formal is infested with commissars or lawyers, enough that it can be paralyzed at any moment. Probably the worst possible.
            Purging them, while eventually will be necessary in some form, is a separate can of worm. More so if trying to maintain above-average standards for legitimacy of the action.

          • Oog en Hand says:

            Which part of the militia will defect to 1488, that is, The Left?

            • jim says:

              Near as I can tell, none of them. Stormfront is white nationalist and red pill. It is not national socialist. Everyone I have seen supposedly on the right issuing national socialist propaganda has been a Soros shill or an FBI shill.

              • TBeholder says:

                This appears to be a spectrum, however.
                At the one end are plain provocateurs — first “hurr durr imma big scary Nazi, let’s play villains in a proglodite propaganda movie together, it’s so awesome”, then probably the same clown turns around, changes the makeup and goes “OMG there are LITERALLY NAZI, someone please do something”.
                The low-end shills being one trick ponies, they sell the same gimmick elsewhere if they can, and did it for long enough that it’s widely recognized and treated as a circus act it is (q.v. “world’s most hilarious fake account” twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1005665248077123589 )

                At the other end… the likes of Quillette, which vessel emits familiar sounds when struck, but most of the time looks like a niche for hedging the bets while being edgy hipsters. (see also: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1171507313045209088.html )

              • The Cominator says:

                There is a small % of genuine national socialists who in the word of Moldbug think they are being “totally METAL” by being so… but most are shills and they are all led by shills.

                The problem is that the wignats (even those that are “white nationalist and red pill”) seem to be too stupid to spot shills…

                • TBeholder says:

                  “Otaku” type Wehraboo obviously exist. Just like sotonists (that is, more genuine ones than just edgy teens without enough of good taste to become goths instead) exist. Though perhaps in lesser numbers.
                  But then, fanboys who think just about anything in particular is “totally METAL” exist. It’s like rule 34, but for weirder porn. As individuals or at most clubs, they couldn’t form a movement unless herded into it with whips. Nor dangerous to anyone but themselves, their pets and occasionally someone who would taunt them with “ur waifu is shit” while in offal-throwing range and without a helmet.
                  The Wehraboo are no different. If someone else paid for a club and attached an actor, they could be made to look like a movement, but this level of prolonged effort is more of a mid-XX century thing.

                • jim says:

                  > fanboys who think just about anything in particular is “totally METAL” exist. It’s like rule 34, but for weirder porn

                  Well, I love those cool uniforms the Nazis created. Totally METAL.

                  But Nazi architecture was just a lower dose of leftist garbage, better than today only in that the poison was in lower dose. Compare and contrast with Putin’s great Cathedral. You look at their architecture, you know Nazis are leftists. (Though Am Großen Wannsee 56-58 is pretty good)

                  And the usual socialist famine that ensued when they proceeded to guarantee everyone enough food, not so cool.

                  But there are people who dress up as Nazis for sex for a good reason. No one dresses up as commies for sex.

                  Real communism is all over the place. The Wehraboo are not real Nazis, they just like the style. No nazis remain, except for shills.

                  I really loved the Nazi paterfamilias in the movie “Man in a high castle”. Totally METAL

                  > The Wehraboo are no different. If someone else paid for a club and attached an actor, they could be made to look like a movement,

                  Someone else is paying for a club and sending in lots of actors, but they are not a movement. Today’s Nazism is yet another branch of Soros’s shilling operation.

                • The Cominator says:

                  The Paterfamilias in the Man in High Castle (John Smith) miniseries was the most powerful man in the Occupied US (I figured he would have a bigger house) he reported directly to Heydrich and then directly to Himmler. It sort of doesn’t appear that way because he had a normal suburban house like almost everyone else (which is not at all how high ranking Nazis… or high ranking commies lived).

                  Its easy to be Alpha when you can have anyone around you (except for the occasional visit from a superior in another country) killed on a whim.

                  Its not clear how much the father and husband in a normal family in such a world would be cucked by the prospect (even though nazi Germany somewhat theoretically supported the idea of patriarchal family structure) of his wife or children if pissed off denouncing him to the secret police. Also women in Nazi Germany and presumably the Nazi world of high castle can unilaterally file for divorce.

                • jim says:

                  Pretty sure it would have a devastating effect on all elite fertility other than his own.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Nazism theoretically liked the idea of large families but only Goebbels (and he was the biggest leftist among the nazi leadership too) actually had one to my knowledge.

                  Goering (the most right wing of the Nazi leadership) I could see all things being equal being a womanizer with a large family but he was shot in the groin during the beer hall putsch so was if not impotent at least infertile.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Beer Hall Putsch: 1928
                  Edda Goering: Born 1938

                  Of course, this is only circumstantial evidence, but still …

                • The Cominator says:

                  He probably wasn’t the real father.

                • BC says:

                  There was lots of culkholdery going on in the upper ranks of the Nazis.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Goering came from a semi aristocratic family, custom was that they let themselves be cucked until they had at least someone who could carry on the family name (though generally had to be a son) if they were shooting blanks or couldn’t perform.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Best I can tell she never denounced her father, unlike man other Nazi children.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Goering if you knew him BUT didn’t have to work with him… almost everyone in that kind of relationship liked him.

                  Also if you want to blame him for the crimes of the Reich you have to keep in mind…

                  If Goering had been Fuhrer but not Hitler much less socialism no en masse killing of jews (though they probably would have had to pay higher taxes and be excluded from a lot of jobs… unless Goering liked one personally) and probably no world war though Germany being involved with a war against Russia (with all European countries fighting united) might have been possible.

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