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  1. Heidegger's Ghost says:

    Combination of higher IQ due to natural selection, and a culturally-mediated “Green-beard effect” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green-beard_effect) which is a problem to the same extent “white privilege” is a problem. Upshot is that we don’t have to do anything, because pretty soon we will be able to CRISPR the good parts of the genome. This will reduce the Jewish Problem to the Mormon Problem (green-beards who don’t have an inherent IQ advantage are not nearly the same level of problem as ones who do).

    • jim says:

      Not like white privilege, for there is no green-beard effect for whites and never has been. Whites are always the chief enemy of whites, always have been, always will be, as on the plains of the Serengeti lions are the chief enemy of lions. Contrary to prog myth making, segregation and apartheid was legislation in favor of blacks, protecting them from white competition.

      • Salger says:

        If that’s so, then maybe White Genocide should be pursued so that White Progs can be purged from the genepool.

        • Corvinus says:

          “If that’s so, then maybe White Genocide should be pursued so that White Progs can be purged from the genepool.”

          So what’s stopping you from contributing to this purge? Why don’t you get a head start and show us all how it is done. Otherwise, you are a coward.

          • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

            Your one note tune has been getting pretty stale lately corv, might want to mix it up a little to keep people interested.

  2. Hesiod says:

    Yes, Jews are over-represented in government, media, and academia in the West. But libtard Whites outnumber them and are far more culpable in maintaining The Cathedral. Both groups deserve stoat tree limbs and sturdy ropes.

    • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

      >over-represented

      Crucial term.

      Did you know there are more europoids in american prisons than negroids?

      • Hesiod says:

        Did you know I don’t give a fudge about leftist apologetics?

        • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

          *whoosh*

          • Hesiod says:

            I understand statistics. Do you? Or are you just sperging out for the hell of it?

            • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

              Man is there anything worse than socially awkward people who can’t pick up on implications and then fly off the handle when ribbed on it.

              • Hesiod says:

                Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Jew-hating party.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  All stereotypes are true, and skypes are useless parasites who’s chief talent is hacking social signals.

                • Hesiod says:

                  @Pseudo-christsomethingorother

                  Take care of the majority White libtards and the Jews will soon follow. Not at hard concept to understand. Lots of rope needed for all.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  Oh i dig it, im just a strong believer in multi-lateral action nameen?

                  And the rectification of names.

                  Speaking only in terms of a deracinated ‘leftism’ to be opposed in the abstract erases the crucial reality that skypes are a thing that exists, and that the average khazar is different from the average hwhyte in significant ways.

                  ” If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success. “

                • Hesiod says:

                  @Pseudo-chrissyfromthree’scompany

                  Unimpressive verbose gibberish. Go home, son, you are embarrassing to the NRx movement, much less the Alt-Right.

                • jim says:

                  Pseudo-chrysostom is quoting Dark Enlightenment and Neoreactionary canon and doctrine almost verbatim, demonstrating his familiarity with Dark Enlightenment and NeoReactionary thought and perhaps his orthodoxy.

                  And yes, the Canon and the Doctrine tends to sound oddly phrased, because it intentionally uses ancient language. We see ourselves as restoring the best of lost and ancient civilizations, as the Renaissance saw itself as restoring Greece and Rome.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  Purple prose is performance art and signaling against it is ever the province of those who can’t actually swing it themselves. Don’t let crypto-demotism into your aesthetic sensibilities my friend.

                  Also the people you cuck for will never respect you for it and in fact will always hate you and try to take advantage of you.

    • Wagner says:

      Hesiod, who’s that? That second-rate Homer?

  3. Pseudo-chrysostom says:

    Whats this, trying to find good sense through the averaged idiocy of the crowds?

  4. Cavalier says:

    “Jews should be excluded from state power in the US, and non Jews excluded from state power in Israel, thereby encouraging them to assimilate or move.”

    Caveat: Assimilation comprises two parts: cultural, and biological. Cultural assimilation to SWPLism is worse than no cultural assimilation. Biological assimilation is necessary but undesirable so long as SWPLism is dominant, as both forms of assimilation will necessary bolster and amp up whatever dominant culture is being assimilated to, as the so-called “New Left” was so very much more batshit-fucking-insane than the “Old Left” because the Old Left was largely animated by Anglo thinkers whereas the New Left was largely animated by Jewish thinkers.

    • jim says:

      If Jews excluded from state power in the US, and non Jews in Israel, the dominant culture in both places will have already ceased to be SWPL, in which case assimilation will be good for those assimilated, and good for the state.

    • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

      Consider the practical effects of customary discrimination against hebrews.

      The hook-noses who cannot conceal their central-asian features will find various motivations through various vectors to emigrate to the homeland.

      The self-identified ones who are so admixed as to be functionally isometric with existing europeans will quickly and quietly adjust sails with the new way the wind blows and be especially scrupulous not to cause trouble. Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia.

      Win-win either way.

  5. balboa says:

    >polls

    DEMOTIST SWINE

    • jim says:

      This is not a binding vote. Rather I am figuring out what proportion of the Alt Right will need to be purged for heresy should I become Grand Inquisitor.

  6. J. Henston says:

    Mutual exclusion from state power would be Pareto Optimal and has my vote; however, it is also politically impossible and unlikely to be politically feasible in the near future. In reality, it is entirely up to the Jews and their Brahmin Gentile counterparts to re-situate themselves politically such that they are no longer at direct loggerheads with the white general population. Failing that, the trend line of antisemitism has nowhere to go but up. Although Jews aren’t the sole purveyors of leftism and subversion, they’re a vocal and visible component of the vanguard and as-such would be very poorly placed if the lumpenprole right became violently reactionary.

    • jim says:

      It is Pareto optimal because the less that people in power are like the people they have power over, the more likely they are to use power capriciously in ways hurtful to those they have power over, even if they have the best intentions in the world, and the less likely they are to have the best intentions in the world.

    • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

      No lumpenprole movement can be truly right wing, which is the biggest problem with the alt-right.

      Aren’t the Jews already turning right? Neoconservatives, etc. Seems to me the next step for the left is to throw the Jews under the bus. A lot of the white nationalists would dive in right under too.

      • jim says:

        As Kerry said, Israel can be democratic, or it can be Jewish.

        Of course the optimal solution for Jews is that Israel is allowed to be Jewish, but America not allowed to be American, and that is the deal we had up till now. But happily, the left keeps throwing unprincipled exceptions overboard in pursuit of greater holiness.

        It is not so much that Jews are turning right, as that the left is ejecting them from the left with a pitchfork kicking and screaming.

        • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

          Lmao agreed.

          I expect a lot of the white nationalists will suddenly feel a spiritual union with the Cathedral and go back to being leftists once they purge the Jews.

  7. Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

    LOL Jim looks like the silent majority at your blog is more rational than I thought. I initially expected 50% + to have the same view as those who doxxed the daily shoah.

    • Jack Highlands says:

      “The same view as those who doxxed the daily shoah.”

      I must have missed the option that read: ‘There is no Jewish Problem. George Soros underwrites my brawling branch of Wobblies and Howard Schultz is well insured. That way I can break Seattle heads and windows in the name of smashing capitalism.’

    • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

      Daily Shoah was financed by George Soros? Not sure if I understand what you’re trying to say here. I haven’t followed the controversy since Jim posted about it so what happened?

      • Jack Highlands says:

        The two leading candidates for doxxers of TDS are the on-line wing of antifa versus Alt Right insiders who considered Peinovich insufficiently counter-Semitic in light of his Jewish wife and her degenerate activism. Since the latter group would doubtless find one or more choices in Jim’s poll they could agree with, I constructed my hypothetical item to include the former.

        • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

          I get it now. Thanks.

        • peppermint says:

          implying antifa can into computers

          I heard Enoch was doxed based on the fact that he had at one point used his email address on a paypal account linked to something or other. That sounds like spooks knew who he was anyway and found an open source link they could feed to the antifa, and look at the timing – right before Trump took office and cleaned house, they had to drop the dox then or never.

          • Jack Highlands says:

            ‘Stereotypes are true enough to elicit a sense of tragedy’ – Jack Highlands

            I believe Peinovich when he says he personally is what one could term a Balko-Scandinavian, ie a generic-enough White American. But Jesus, could we not produce even one clever, funny guy on the Alt Right without him being so culturally Jewish that his wife is a typical duplicitous, degeneracy-sponsoring NYC Skype? No, because stereotypes.

            Similarly, your stereotype of the Luddite antifa is probably close enough to truth: 400 million+ in the $LPC warchest and they can’t manage what the chans do for nothing, sustained only on mommy’s tendies and Mountain Dew.

            But I don’t think the gov’t cares enough about Peinovich to dox him. I think the inevitable re-org after the Trump election made for 100,000 chans getting bored, divisive and looking to further the emotional high. It only took one who either knew him from the meatspace meet-ups or looked around a bit, eg at his real name attached to the TRS Paypal button, apparently. That dox was inevitable.

            • pdimov says:

              Sven and Bulbasaur were apparently doxed by /pol, but Peinovich’s dox was different. The archived paypal account reeks of parallel construction.

              The name Peinovich is either Serbian or Russian Jewish. Supposedly the former.

              • Jack Highlands says:

                Sound like you’re with Peppermint, suggesting gov’t.

                If so, it shows that even the most Machiavellian progs are almost as out-of-touch as their progtard brethren: it seems highly likely to me that a turning of the tables (overturning of the Pharisean table?) is at hand: the more goys out, the better. Chuck Johnson and Kyle Bristow are outdoing the SLPC on one percent of their budget, TRS will pay the bills better for Dunstan and Peinovich than their regular jobs did, etc.

                They just don’t get it. While execrable Skypes like Gould and Lewontin were ushering in a new Dark Age in the Academy, Sailer was rallying a real Enlightenment. We are have truth, honor and beauty on our side. They have lies and ugliness.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Jews won’t move till mass pogroms. Don’t need to kill them all, but kill some, kill randomly to strike fear into whole population. Like the holocaust, it’s cruel but indispensable to solve the problem.

    • Samuel Skinner says:

      I’m having trouble finding the right stats- I need to get “total number of emigrants prior to Night of the Broken Glass”. That said-

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/nazi_genocide_timeline_noflash.shtml

      “The Jews of Germany numbered about 565,000 in 1933, forming under one per cent of the total German population.

      About 185,000 Jews lived in Austria when it was occupied and annexed by Germany.

      About 150,000 emigrated from Germany between 1933 and 1938, but this was considered too slow by radicals in the Nazi ranks.”

      It looks like you can get 20-25% of the Jewish population to move without killing anyone. Presumably with the existence of Israel and without seizing the wealth of emigrants, you would have a higher percentage today.

      Maybe the best measure would be what percentage of Jews left the USSR/Russian Federation to go to Israel when given the opportunity.

      • Anonymous says:

        Jews don’t remain in the US merely because it’s ZOG. They remain in the US because it provides a “high life” that isn’t possible in the Israeli hellhole. Therefore, obliterating Jewish power won’t send the Jews flying to Israel. In fact plenty of Israelis would like to immigrate to the US, and they do. If you want to reverse that, need to make Israel a better alternative to the US.

      • Anonymous says:

        If you want Israel as superior alternative to the US, either make Israel a paradise (lol, not happening), or make the lives of US Jews so miserable they flee. Practically, need to make Jewish nightmares come true – need violent antisemitism. Hopefully the alt-right will spread antisemitism unto the masses. That’s what has to happen. Imagine a monthly Dylan Roof targeting random innocent Jews. No other choice (other than worse, crueler choices, that is) if you want most Jews out.

        • Y. Ilan says:

          You don’t have much of an idea when it comes to how “hellish” Israel is. Yes, it’s less comfortable than North America, but it certainly isn’t a hellhole. I certainly am not going back to pleasant, non-dangerous Canada even though here in Israel I have to deal with more risk and reserve duty.
          Israel is actually becoming a better place to live in as time goes on, with a growing Jewish population and an expanding, resilient economy. I know plenty of NA Jews who came here and are staying, and not just because of any powerful ideological drives.

        • Anonymous says:

          Oy, vey. Oy, ve-avoi. When you write:

          >Israel is actually becoming a better place to live in as time goes on, with a growing Jewish population

          Have you considered the QUALITY of the Jews you’re having?

          When in 2050 a third of Israeli Jews are Haredim (and a third of Israelis overall are Arabs), how will the economy be doing, Ilan? Will it remain “resilient”?

          Have you considered the fact that already about half of Israelis are “arsim” and “frehot”, mostly but not exclusively from North Africa? Have you considered the fact that Israel’s average iq today is a meagre 90, and the German/Austrian/Baltic Jews aren’t reproducing too much, which means it’ll get lower every year?

          Have you considered how you were saved by a million Jews and “Jews” from the USSR in the 90s, without whom your economy would’ve collapsed already? And how they, too, don’t reproduce – unlike the Moroccans?

          No, you’ve not considered. Join the Nazis, Ilan, so we can bring 6 million Ashkenazi Jews to Israel before you DIE.

  9. Koanic says:

    Your poll failed to specify whether you referred to Jews as genes or religion.

    Judaism delenda est.

    • jim says:

      Judaism is both genes and religion, assimilation is conversion leading to intermarriage. Which is easier and more natural for those Jews that do not look visibly Jewish.

      • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

        Didn’t you argue before with B that Jews are multiracial? I don’t think Beta Israel is the same race as Ashkenazis.

  10. Hrafn says:

    Like all racial and cultural foreigners, they should be removed, since their ethnic self-interest conflicts with our ethnic self-interest.

    I doubt that completely removing them without violence is possible, but a substantial amount of them is probably reasonable enough to move voluntarily once they realize that the tide is turning against them.

  11. Anonymous says:

    There are approximately 6 million full US Jewish, and in addition, some 3.5 Mischlings. Does anyone here think they can be removed by having USG switch ideologies like a circus clown changes costumes?

    Need virulent antisemitism:

    Need explicit Jew-excluding White Nationalism, need people looking at their Jewish neighbors with disdain, need people cutting contacts with former Jewish friends, need to openly denigrate Jews and Jewish culture, need to highlight differences between Whites and Jews (focusing on Jewish lack of artistic talent, Jewish hypersexuality, Jewish materialism, Jewish whining proclivity), need to make invisibles into visibles, and counterintuitively, need to amp the anti-zionist propaganda so that Jews won’t be able to distance themselves from Israel anymore – will be compelled to identify with it. Support the “Palestinians” not because they deserve support, but because you want to trigger Jews. You need an America that openly supports the PLO and looks the other way when PLO murders Jews. “We urge both sides not to escalate the violence” – hahaha. How can you turn non-zionist Jews into zionists? Accuse Israel of committing a holocaust, and accuse US Jews of supporting it. Then they’ll be forced to pick a side. Call to murder all Jews – then accuse Jews of paranoia when they complain about it. Point out that all US porn studios are run by Jews, even if you jerk off to porn daily. Spread Nazi memes all over the internet – then accuse Jews of being obsessed with the holocaust. Deny and justify the holocaust simultaneously. You want husbands divorcing their Jewish wives, you want hooligans throwing stuff at Hasids, boycott Israel and Jewish businesses. Purge Jews from White Nationalism – then accuse Jews of not joining White Nationalism. Call assimilated Jews “cryptos”, call Orthodox Jews “incompatible un-American foreigners”. Call out anti-zionist Jews on their progressivism, call out zionist Jews on their ethnocentrism. If a Jew feels American, tell him it’s self-deception, that he’ll never belong, it’s not his country. If a Jew feels alienated from America, accuse him of dual loyalty.

    See where this is going? Make their lives miserable. Give them no quarter. Laugh in their face. Then they’ll leave.

    • jim says:

      Support the “Palestinians” not because they deserve support, but because you want to trigger Jews.

      Muslims are a bigger problem than Jews, and if they are not a bigger problem now, their fertility is going to make them a bigger problem damned soon.

      Right now Muslims are enslaving vulnerable white girls on a large scale, and police are overlooking it.

      • Anonymous says:

        >Muslims are a bigger problem than Jews, and if they are not a bigger problem now,

        I’m not even disagreeing with this. But you can kick the Muslims out of the West — you can even bomb Mecca to oblivion — and still support the Palestinians. No contradiction. Just do it in the name of “Palestinian” “nationalism” rather than Islamism.

        And there’s so much more one can do.

        Every time Israel does anything at all, denounce it. Take Palestinian victimhood claims at face value. Support the Palestinians, accuse USG of pro-Israeli bias. When the media publishes pro-Israel stuff, point out the media is Jewish. When the media publishes anti-Israel stuff, go the “even the media is sometimes objective, admitting Israel is evil” route. Accuse every pro-Israeli Jew of being a “neocon warmonger” even if he isn’t. Mention the USS Liberty in every discussion about Israel. Spread the “Jews did 9/11” meme not because you believe it, but because you want the masses to believe it. Is “Palestinian” “national” “history” nothing but unadulterated bullshit concocted by the Soviets and the State Department? Yes – and you should spread that bullshit.

        In the same breath criticize Jews as a Nazi and mock the Jews for thinking everyone who criticizes them is a Nazi. Genocide is fine – unless committed by Jews. Accuse the Jews of perpetrating White Genocide even as you prepare a Jewish Genocide. Accuse the Jews of being petty for remembering the holocaust 70 years ago, then remind them they killed Christ 2,000 years ago. Repeat the line that “the Jewish religion is based around the rejection of Christ” and disregard all arguments to the contrary. If Jews are involved in something bad, even marginally, claim that it wouldn’t even exist without them. Point out how Jewish “leftist” animosity towards the West predates the holocaust by decades, thus justifying it. Always err on the side of too much antisemitism rather than too little.

        Accuse the Jews of exactly the kinds of “evils” they would accuse you, and then some. Why is Israel so racist? Why are Jewish males such chauvinists? Why hasn’t Israel taken enough Congolese and Afghan refugees fleeing the brutal civil war in Syria? Why did Israel create ISIS? Non-ironically support #OpenBordersForIsrael. Make an unsubstantiated claim about some specific aspect of the holocaust, and when the Jew takes effort to prove you wrong, just tell him that he’s being obsessive and “lol who cares”. Always leave the Jew wondering: is this guy really such an antisemite, or is he joking? Do they really believe that “Hitler did nothing wrong”, or is it just trolling and bantz? You can criticize Hitler, but not for killing Jews. Call Jews “khazars” and “semites” in the same sentence.

        My point in this rhetorical exercise is that making life in the US so horrible for Jews by popularizing antisemitism is necessary if you want them removed. But pogroms don’t spring up in a day. You need high-iq propagandists, don-juans of HATE who know exactly “where to touch” in order to get the intended result. There won’t be pogroms until Americans truly, “for real this time”, viciously hate Jews.

        • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

          Yes driving the Jews into the arms of the Cathedral worked out super well last time Hitler tried it, which is why he had nukes before America right? oh wait…

          • pdimov says:

            “Driving the Jews into the arms of the Cathedral” makes no sense. Jews _are_ the Cathedral. Whence the mysterious coherence? Whence indeed.

            • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

              The Cathedral is to a large extent Jewish but it did not originate with Jews nor do Jews have over 50% influence in it. Otherwise, Gaza would not exist and Ashkenazi intermarriage would not exceed 50%. You can argue communism was a Jewish-dominated movement but they got purged and communism is not exactly the same as the Cathedral anyways.

              Right now the Cathedral is moving in a direction against Jewish interests as shown by their policy on Israel, hence appearance of people like Moldbug. Even Israel, which takes in Beta Israel people, is arguably more Cathedral than Jewish. I think it’s a good idea to have Jews in a free society given their high IQ and productivity, provided they are excluded from the state apparatus or influencing it per Jim’s solution.

              • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                Productivity, oh yes, wherever would we be without mountains of legal opinion, newsrags, and ‘peer reviewed’ sophistical journals.

                Signals, signals everywhere; but not a thought to think.

                • jim says:

                  The most obvious example of anti scientific pseudo science is global warming, which does not seem to be particularly Jewish. Jewish science is no worse than non Jewish science, arguably better. The Nazi theory that Jewish science was signaling, rather than science, bit them on the ass.

                  The most obvious example of destructive Jewish legalism is the Southern Poverty Law center, which is going holier than thou in a holiness campaign pioneered by the intellectual and biological descendants of the Puritans.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  I was actually referring more to philosophical journals.

                  Spoofed danger signals is understandable considering special relativity’s origins were obscured in the first place. The irony is that it itself actually was a product of ‘aryan science’.

                  “Einstein just assumed that which we were all trying to prove” – Henri Poincaré

                • jim says:

                  The proof of special relativity was Maxwell equations, which are at high velocities irreconcilable with Newton’s laws.

                  Maxwell or anyone after him could have deduced special relativity from Maxwell’s equations plus Newton’s laws. Maxwell himself came close in 1865, But it was Einstein, forty years later, who saw what everyone else in the previous forty years had failed to see.

                  Special relativity is the reconciliation of Maxwell’s equations with Newton’s laws. Einstein’s paper “The electrodynamics of moving bodies” just seriously asks what happens if we suppose that Newton’s laws and Maxwell’s equations are both true, and proceeds to prove that if Newton’s laws are true for moderate velocities and Maxwell’s equations true for all velocities, and you keep adding moderate velocity to moderate velocity to get large velocity, then the truth of Maxwell’s Equations, plus the truth of Newton’s laws at moderate velocities, implies Special Relativity for high velocities.

                  Anti Semitic efforts to deny Einstein credit for Special Relativity is just stupid. Einstein started from what Maxwell knew in 1865 and proceeded to prove Special Relativity from that, finishing what Maxwell began, but was never able to quite complete, forty years ago. Poincare and others were struggling towards the solution, but Einstein’s work was not built on theirs, rather, everyone was trying to build on Maxwell.

                • pdimov says:

                  “Anti Semitic efforts to deny Einstein credit for Special Relativity is just stupid.”

                  Poincare is being denied credit for special relativity, not Einstein.

                • jim says:

                  Poincare set foot on the same path as Einstein, but did not walk to the end of that path, because the destination seemed absurd.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  My reading of Poincare is that he pretty much derived the same results as Einstein re. Special Relativity but rejected the conclusions as being absurd.

                • jim says:

                  Exactly so.

                  What happened was that everyone who started on the path stopped, because the path seemed to lead to an absurd conclusion, but Einstein walked to the end of the path, and asked himself “Is this as silly as it seems?”

                • pdimov says:

                  What was the end to which Einstein walked but Poincare did not? Which specific thing?

                • jim says:

                  Poincare held on to absolute time, supposedly true time – and as long as he held on to absolute time, could not get rid of the ether, even though he knew he needed to get rid of the ether, could not have the speed of light constant for moving observers, even though he knew the speed of light was constant for moving observers. And because absolute time, therefore absolute mass, therefore could not and did not conclude that E=mc2

                  He knew he needed a description of the world in which there was no ether and the speed of light was constant regardless of the motion of the observer, and derived the equations describing such a world, but failed to recognize what they meant.

                  Lorentz said:

                  The chief cause of my failure was my clinging to the idea that the variable t only can be considered as the true time and that my local time t’ must be regarded as no more than an auxiliary mathematical quantity. In Einstein’s theory, on the contrary, t’ plays the same part as t; if we want to describe phenomena in terms of x’, y’, z’, t’ we must work with these variables exactly as we could do with x, y, z, t.

                  The same was true of Poincare.

                • pdimov says:

                  I think that you’re right about absolute time (but I’m not sure that Poincare would have agreed). Re E=mc^2 however,

                  “In [Poi00], Poincaré published a paper in which he said that radiation could be considered as a fictitious fluid with an equivalent mass of m = E / c^2. He derived this interpretation from Lorentz’s ‘theory of electrons’ which incorporated Maxwell’s radiation pressure.”

                • jim says:

                  But this was not a general result – or rather he failed to recognize its generality.

                • Oliver Cromwell says:

                  When I studied physics I did learn that much of the mathematics had been worked out before Einstein, and that Einstein’s contribution was to provide the right conceptual framework in which the full power of the mathematics was realised.

                  Perhaps in other places, students are taught that Einstein did all the work. I suspect though that Einstein’s name is just (rightly) the only one taught when the attention span of the students is deemed barely sufficient for even one name. Most historical events are compacted in this way.

                • jim says:

                  Other people developed the mathematics that made general relativity possible, but special relativity could have been done by anyone, starting with Maxwell.

                • jim says:

                  students are taught that Einstein did all the work.

                  Lots of people did all the work. Doing all the work is easy. Understanding what it means is hard.

                • pdimov says:

                  “But this was not a general result – or rather he [Poincare] failed to recognize its generality.”

                  Hard to say from the paper alone. There weren’t many things that Poincare failed to recognize.

                  What’s clear is that Einstein in his two papers pretends that Lorentz and Poincare don’t exist. He derives Lorentz’s transformations supposedly from first principles, and he derives E=mc^2 supposedly from first principles, but in both cases what I recognize what I see as “deriving” what you already want to prove.

                  It’s very hard to believe that Einstein didn’t already know of Lorentz’s transformations.

                  For mc^2, he specifically emits two rays of light in opposite directions so as to cancel the recoil, but studiously never mentions the recoil; and his derivation looks dubious to me.

                  I would say that he works off Poincare’s paper but pretends not to know it; having come up all by himself with E=mc^2, he will then proceed to discover Poincare’s paper and by an amazing coincidence resolve the paradoxes posed therein using his previous totally original result.

                • jim says:

                  If one day it will be deemed necessary to commit a final solution of Jewish extermination, it would not be possible to commit it while there is a strong and secure Israel. Hence /pol/ is right, and the “Greater Israel” prospect must be opposed at all costs.

                  If we can dump Jews in Israel, or encourage the most irritating Jews to gradually depart under their own power, no final solution will ever be necessary. Further, if no final solution is ever necessary, this reduces Jewish motivation to destroy the white race.

                • jim says:

                  As I said, all there in Maxwell’s equations. Maxwell could have done it in 1865 and nearly did do it. Poincare deduced that stuff from Maxwell’s equations, but failed to see what it meant. Lorentz deduced that stuff from Maxwell’s equations, but failed to see what it meant. Why should you doubt that Einstein deduced it from Maxwell’s equations, and did see what it meant?

                • Oliver Cromwell says:

                  It is true that if you are going to credit Poincare, you might as well credit Maxwell.

                  On the other hand, it would have been reasonable to give Maxwell some credit, and Poincare more. Einstein wrote his paper alone, and made no citations.

                  We know that Einstein read Poincare’s book. He should have cited Poincare, Lorentz, and Maxwell, and made clear what in the paper was uniquely his contribution. So while Einstein was very intelligent and did contribute to our knowledge of science, his professional ethnics fall short.

                • jim says:

                  We know that Einstein read Poincare’s book.

                  Do we? I don’t think so.

                • pdimov says:

                  “Why should you doubt that Einstein deduced it from Maxwell’s equations, and did see what it meant?”

                  This question makes no sense to me. Einstein doesn’t deduce the transformations from Maxwell’s equations. The derivation is in part 1 of the paper and Maxwell appears in part 2.

                  The clock paradox in § 4 is original as far as I know, but the rest isn’t.

                  That Poincare “failed to see what it meant” is a dubious assertion. He saw everything, but didn’t commit to a specific interpretation because of lack of experimental data pointing one way or another. As a mathematician, he’s all like “Abrahams assumes X and then the math says Y, but Lorentz thinks Z and if so, W, but we need data to tell which.”

                  It’s pretty clear from Poincare’s behavior after 1905 that he considered Einstein… if not a fraud, then a not entirely upstanding citizen.

                • jim says:

                  Maxwell’s equations imply the constancy of the speed of light.

                  Einstein assumes someone making measurements with light (or radar)

                  That Poincare “failed to see what it meant” is a dubious assertion. He saw everything, but didn’t commit to a specific interpretation because of lack of experimental data pointing one way or another.

                  The correct interpretation, which Poincare failed to make, is that the transformed x, y, z, and t are just as valid as the original, that physics works unchanged. This follows from the transformation of maxwells equations and the constancy of the speed of light.

                  Poincare correctly said that the speed of light is constant, and there is no rest frame, but could not get a valid description of the world where the speed of light is constant and there is no rest frame because he would not let go of universal objective time.

                • pdimov says:

                  “Do we?”

                  We do. We don’t know what specifically he did read though.

                • pdimov says:

                  “Maxwell’s equations imply the constancy of the speed of light.”

                  Einstein does work off that. Nothing else.

                  “The correct interpretation, which Poincare failed to make, is that the transformed x, y, z, and t are just as valid as the original, that physics works unchanged.”

                  I don’t see how he failed to do that. He knew that Maxwell’s equations are Lorentz-invariant.

                  “The essential point, established by Lorentz, is that the electromagnetic field equations are not altered by a certain transformation (which I shall call after the name of Lorentz), which has the following form:” – On the Dynamics of the Electron (1905)

                • jim says:

                  “The essential point, established by Lorentz, is that the electromagnetic field equations are not altered by a certain transformation (which I shall call after the name of Lorentz), which has the following form:”

                  The essential point, casually asserted by Einstein without evidence, is that the laws governing the entire universe are not altered by a certain transformation, that the transformed t is as valid and true as the original t, that the universe is Lorentz invariant, and thus there is no universal objective global time, only objective duration along a particular trajectory.

                  Maxwell’s equations imply the seemingly absurd result that the speed of light is the same in all directions for all observers, regardless of their motion. For this absurdity to make sense, to not be absurd, you have to let go of universal objective time.

                • pdimov says:

                  … and in fact “physics work unchanged in all inertial frames” is the principle of relativity which Poincare NAMED.

                  “The principle of relativity, according to which the laws of physical phenomena should be the same, whether for an observer fixed, or for an observer carried along in a uniform movement of translation; so that we have not and could not have any means of discerning whether or not we are carried along in such a motion.” – The Principles of Mathematical Physics (1904)

                • jim says:

                  But Poincare was unable to describe or derive a physics that worked in all inertial frames, because he would not let go of absolute time.

                  He had the principles from which one can derive special relativity, he proceeded to derive special relativity, and failed to accept or see the implications of what he derived.

                  But Maxwell and everyone after him had the principles from which one can derive special relativity, and, like Poincare, did not.

                • jim says:

                  The principle of relativity only works if you let go of absolute time.

                • Anonymous says:

                  >If we can dump Jews in Israel, or encourage the most irritating Jews to gradually depart under their own power, no final solution will ever be necessary.

                  Okay. My proposal to encourage Jews to move to Israel is to make America as uncomfortable a place for Jews to reside in as it can be, short of active extermination. Excluding them from state power isn’t it – life will still be comfortable for all but the most power-hungry Jews, therefore 99% of Jews remain, that is, 6 million Jews and all the Mischlings remain, thus Jewish problem unsolved.

                  Therefore, need to make America uncomfortable for the average nonpolitical Jew. Can’t do that without omniscient bloodthirsty antisemitism. With omniscient bloodthirsty antisemitism, and the adjunct pro-Palestinian anti-Zionism (which creates solidarity among Jews and furnishes their identification with Israel, which is desirable, expedient, and of great utility to our purpose), all or almost all Jews, be they orthodox or prog, make aliyah.

                  How else can it work?

                • jim says:

                  But if Jews are excluded from state power, broadly defined, they cease to cause problems.

                  Further, if the ruling ideology is the kind of ideology that could exclude Jews from state power, Jews will convert to that ideology and assimilate, instead of converting to proggism and assimilating.

                • pdimov says:

                  “But Poincare was unable to describe or derive a physics that worked in all inertial frames, because he would not let go of absolute time.”

                  This is simply not true. Read the actual papers. Don’t read summaries that are telling you that Einstein discovered common descent and therefore Poincare didn’t. Because absolute time and ether.

                • Anonymous says:

                  >But if Jews are excluded from state power, broadly defined, they cease to cause problems.

                  Not true, because biologically alien and dissimilar to whites, like the Japanese for instance. I love the Japanese – but they belong in Japan.

                  >Further, if the ruling ideology is the kind of ideology that could exclude Jews from state power, Jews will convert to that ideology and assimilate, instead of converting to proggism and assimilating.

                  Nope, Jews would always seek to subvert the dominant ideology insofar as it puts a limit on Jewish conduct. Plus, intervention from Jews from abroad – Jews are international, an international problem. If Jews convert to white nationalism, they’ll do their best to subvert-from-within and basically castrate white nationalism at every juncture it collides with Jewish interests, as in fact they seem to be doing right now. Biological problem, not just cultural problem.

                • jim says:

                  Nope, Jews would always seek to subvert the dominant ideology insofar as it puts a limit on Jewish conduct.

                  Right now they are converting to an ideology that logically requires the destruction of Israel.

              • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                Ever heard of Einstein?

                Legal opinions and newsrags not a problem if the Cathedral is abolished.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  Cribbed off of Poincare without citation and Godel did most of the math for him anyways.

                  Of course he had one advantage and trumped all his contemporaries; an inveterate instinct for self-promotion and a jewish press all to happy to credit him for it and hold him up as a shining example.

                  Everywhere you see a prominent skype lauded as an innovator you will invariably find a coterie of neandertalics who’s work they are repackaging in a shiny new wrapper.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  Interesting. Link?

                  Skypes are overrated but I think it is a stretch to say they do not have any talents except for signaling. Their IQ is clearly higher than most Whites and East Asians. Key is to get the benefits without the harms, which is accomplished through separating them from the state. Expelling Jews didn’t work out so well for the Spanish.

                • Oliver Cromwell says:

                  Persecuting them is probably what produced their high IQ. You will always fail to persecute some people of some large group: the smartest and most devious and most duplicitous, usually. Like George Soros who literally worked for the Nazis administering the deportation of Jews.

                  You can only eliminate any trait by making it manifest low status outcomes for the bearer of that trait.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  “Persecuting them is probably what produced their high IQ. ”

                  Thought it was excluding them from agriculture and forcing them to take on high IQ occupations? Jews weren’t that smart in the Roman Empire.

                • Oliver Cromwell says:

                  Jews had already been persecuted quite a bit at that point.

                  There were probably a lot of normal Jews once, but normal people tend to stick around to get assimilated or killed when their countries are invaded, not flee across the world and plot revenge for 2000 years.

                  I suspect the readership of this blog is more Jewish than in outlook it would care to admit.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  Lmao agreed. An ethnic breakdown of the readership here would be very interesting.

                • TTAAC says:

                  “Are we to believe that the Bible, a work compiled over centuries and incorporating everything from brilliant poetry to profound ethics, with stories that speak so eloquently to the human condition that they have inspired great art, music, and literature for millennia, was produced by an intellectually run-of-the-mill Levantine tribe?”-Charles Murray

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  Much of the New Testament was produced by Gentiles. The current version of the Bible is an official Roman government publication, they chose the poster boy stories.

                  Pretty sure Old Testament is not that remarkable by middle eastern standards, if we had access to the Assyrian or Babylonian histories. I don’t find it that inspiring, then again, I am not white.

                • peppermint says:

                  the bible is garbage and people say it’s good because they’re intimidated into it

                • jim says:

                  Comparing the bible with the Epic of Gilgamesh, Epic of Gilgamesh better. Pretty much anything written by the Greeks, way better.

        • jim says:

          I’m not even disagreeing with this. But you can kick the Muslims out of the West — you can even bomb Mecca to oblivion — and still support the Palestinians. No contradiction. Just do it in the name of “Palestinian” “nationalism” rather than Islamism.

          There are no Palestinians and everyone knows it. Muslims are not particularly nationalist, and lines on the map of the middle east are arbitrary.

          Israel is undeniably useful and valuable to the west as the front line against Islam. Muslims are trying to conquer us in the old fashioned unambiguous uncomplicated sense. Always have been, always will be.

          Jews in Israel do not cause the problems that Jews in America cause.

          • Anonymous says:

            >There are no Palestinians and everyone knows it. Muslims are not particularly nationalist, and lines on the map of the middle east are arbitrary.

            If one day it will be deemed necessary to commit a final solution of Jewish extermination, it would not be possible to commit it while there is a strong and secure Israel. Hence /pol/ is right, and the “Greater Israel” prospect must be opposed at all costs.

            >Jews in Israel do not cause the problems that Jews in America cause.

            It’s true, but a) no Jews equals no Jewish problem; b) my suggestion for the immediate future is not to nuke Israel, but to weaken Israel as the State Department has been doing. The State Department loves destabilizing regimes, well, here’s a regime that’s actually worth destabilizing.

            The real issue with destabilizing Israel is that it would hinder mass Jewish immigration from the US to it. But if Jews feel that “the whole world is against us” that may actually foster Jewish solidarity, and prompt Jews to make aliyah. If America becomes a violently anti-Semitic, pro-Palestine country, American Jews will flee to Israel, and will become ethnocentric and Zionist in Israel.

            America can’t be both violently anti-Semitic and pro-Israel concomitantly. If it attempts that, Zionist Jews will use all their leverage to subvert the anti-Semitism, to push the “some Jews are good” meme, and at the end of the day, 6 million American Jews won’t leave. Since our discussion here revolves around how to get 6 million American Jews to make aliyah, you need to propose an effective solution, a solution that may actually achieve the intended result.

            Violent anti-Semitism, the elimination of Jewish physical safety, the spilling of Jewish blood via pogroms and random shootings, the widespread popularity of vehement antagonism toward Jews, is how you can get American Jews to make aliyah. You can’t do that with your one hand, while your other hand proudly sustains Zionism. That’s inconsistent, and the Zionists will oppose your (insincere) anti-Semitism at every step of the way.

            Anti-Semitism can’t boil down to edgy internet memes aka “dank maymays”. At some point, it will be required to act physically in the concrete world against physical, concrete Jews:

            For instance, if Mike Peinovich actually gets rid of his Jewish wife, that’s a great example of a concrete action taken against Jews. If Gentiles start divorcing their Jewish spouses en masse, that’s a step in the right direction. And that’s before we get to the physical violence part;

            If Gentile business owners unite to destroy their Jewish rivals, Jewish business owners, by supporting the boycott of Jewish businesses, that’s another step in the right direction, and doesn’t require violence;

            If enough Gentiles wake up to the Jewish subversion of traditional Christian morality emanating from Hollywood, and boycott Hollywood, then the Jewish death-grip over America gets so much more flaccid (pardon the sexual innuendo).

            Once you get to that point, you can start threatening the physical safety of Jews. At which point they’ll scurry away to Israel. But before you get to that point, you need Joe Sixpack to feel instinctive, visceral loathing of the Jews. Which brings us to the Trump Question:

            Will Trump allow the popularization of anti-Semitism, or will he distract from that aim?

            . . .

            You don’t want to dispense with only the “bad Jews”. You want all Jews gone, or at least 95%. That’s exactly why no exceptions must be allowed, at least until 95% have already left. It is exactly “good Jews” whom one should target first. Everyone hates Soros – so there’s no point in killing Soros. But if you can get people to hate “good Jews” such as, say, Jared Kushner, *then* you know that you’ve succeeded. Take a page from Bakunin:

            “If you kill an unjust judge, you may be understood to mean merely that you think judges ought to be just; but if you go out of your way to kill a just judge, it is clear that you object to judges altogether. If a son kills a bad father, the act, though meritorious in its humble way, does not take us much further. But if he kills a good father, it cuts at the root of all that pestilent system of family affection and loving-kindness and gratitude on which the present system is largely based.”

            Bakunin was exactly right. You need to kill the good father, not the bad father.

            • Mackus says:

              Either complete idiot or merely mercenary controlled opposition.

            • Anonymous says:

              I’m not a Fed, Mackus. I don’t urge the readers of this blog to pick up the rifle and go out Jew-hunting ASAP. I suggest that, at some point within the next half-century, it will no longer be feasible to shirk from violence against Jews, if you want them to make aliyah. They won’t make aliyah if they feel secure and wanted. They’ll make aliyah when they feel insecure and unwanted.

              (Or you can try to negotiate with “good Jews”, which is what kosher cuckservatives, civic nationalists, have been doing thus far. Since Einstein has been discussed here, perhaps you should heed his definition of insanity)

              • jim says:

                Jews are in fact assimilating or moving to Israel. The problem is solving itself.

                • Anonymous says:

                  US Jews aren’t assimilating and aren’t making aliyah. Jews don’t assimilate because biology > culture, and don’t make aliyah because for Jews: comfort > patriotism. Orthodox Jews have 6 or 7 children on average, some have 4 and some have 12, and can’t assimilate culturally, to say nothing of biologically. Secular progressive Jews are Mischling-factories, the Mischlings they produce are biologically (part) Jewish, and culturally they may as well be Jewish given their environment. Orthodox Jews don’t make aliyah because anti-zionist, secular progressive Jews don’t make aliyah for the same reason. Therefore need to turn both groups into zionists, therefore need antisemitism, sharp antisemitism, thus violent and threatening antisemitism.

                  Until you have violent glass-breaking physically-bullying antisemitism on a mass scale, the problem won’t self-solve.

              • Mackus says:

                So, you’re saying that if Israel is kept so weak that Israeli Jews could be genocided at moments notice by Muslim, Jews will emigrate there?

            • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

              Clearly a State Department agent who’s citing Bakunin (who should be tossed out of a helicopter).

              Jews have a 50%+ intermarriage rate. Orthodox Jews have just 4 children on average and the defection rate is quite high. Even if it wasn’t, Orthodox Jews aren’t the ones that are causing problems. Assimilating Jews is a good idea since expelling half of your high IQ population generally sucks unless there is a huge compensating benefit. You’re pretty anti-white if you assume mischlinges’ primary loyalty are to Jews since white genes are inferior. See Moldbug

              • Oliver Cromwell says:

                The point is that Priestliness lies on a continuous spectrum just like Intelligence. An upper class that is all 50% Jew isn’t necessarily less Priestly than an upper class that is half 100% Jew, half 100% gentile. On the one hand, the most Priestly people are way less Priestly. On the other, there’s no real anti-priest faction any more.

              • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                I think the way priestliness works is like the way stock options work, what matters is the most holy priest not the average. If you averaged out Muhammad with 500,000 Arabs would Islam have arisen?

              • Anonymous says:

                You’ve written 7 sentences, ROL, and 6 out of them are simply factually false. You are, literally, being “wrong on the internet”.

                >Clearly a State Department agent

                A Sherlock Holmes-tier detective such as yourself would know.

                >Jews have a 50%+ intermarriage rate.

                This one is true. But worse than irrelevant (it’s misleading). Imagine if US blacks had a 50%+ intermarriage rate. Would you call that “black problem solving itself”? If anything, such a mass-scale mongrelization would make it a more severe, much more complicated problem. Half-Jews (whose other half is white), similarly to half-blacks or half-Asians, are basically Jews who look somewhat white-ish. That’s it. They’re still Jews. This isn’t some autistic argument of the “are 1/8 Jews white?” variety. 50% Jews are definitely Jews, period. The question of whether Hitler would’ve gassed them is beside the point, because I don’t propose gassing them. It’s simply a question of what they are – which is Jews.

                >Orthodox Jews have just 4 children on average

                That figure must include the “modern Orthodox” type, aka kinda-but-not-really-Orthodox Jews. For the ones who are strictly Orthodox, known as the “ultra-Orthodox”, the “Haredim”, or specifically “Hassidim”, the figure is probably 6 or 7, given that in Israel it’s 6.9, and there’s no reason why it should be any different in the US.

                >and the defection rate is quite high.

                Anything lower than 20% is not even close to being “quite high”. And it’s not even close to 20%. Not to mention the fact that this “defection” isn’t good at all – they’re just infusing general society with more Jewish blood not confined to the Jewish ghetto, thus possibly exacerbating the intermarriage problem.

                >Even if it wasn’t, Orthodox Jews aren’t the ones that are causing problems.

                First of all, when they reach sufficient numbers in the US, as already happens in Israel, you’ll see a helluva lot problems caused by them. But also, the fact that they reproduce like rabbits and thereby replenish again and again the supply of Jewry guarantees that you’ll always have the Jew with you, which means that they already are a problem. They are not compatible with American society any more than fundamentalist Muslims are compatible with American society.

                >Assimilating Jews is a good idea since expelling half of your high IQ population generally sucks unless there is a huge compensating benefit.

                Are half of actually intelligent, productively, non-parasitically intelligent Americans are Jewish? Look at the Industrial Revolution in Europe, look at the Scottish Enlightenment, look at WASP-dominated American industry before the 1930s – do you need any Jews? The state of scientific progress was excellent before Jews. Jews, though no doubt intelligent, probably hindered scientific progress with their barking-mad frothing-at-the-mouth asylum-escapee LEFTIST insanity. Yes, ROL, German/Austrian Jews made contributions to science. Well, you don’t have these Jewish geniuses anymore. Modern Jews are dumb, useless, and evil. Actual science, not “social science” moronic gibberish, but real science, nitty-gritty science, hard science, STEM science – Jews aren’t needed for it. It’s the domain of Whites, plus Japanese and Chinese.

                You write “unless there is a huge compensating benefit” as if that’s theoretical. It’s not some unproven theorem here, getting rid of Jews would demonstrably, starkly make life in the USA much better.

                You write “Assimilating Jews is a good idea” even though a) it is very much the opposite of a “good idea”; b) it’s not possible, because biologically speaking, there’s no such thing. You can’t “assimilate” a wolf into a group of lions. You can’t “assimilate” a black into being white. Either you’re white, or you’re not white. Take it from here, Aesop:

                “At one time a very large and strong Wolf was born among the wolves, who exceeded all his fellow-wolves in strength, size, and swiftness, so that they unanimously decided to call him “Lion.” The Wolf, with a lack of sense proportioned to his enormous size, thought that they gave him this name in earnest, and, leaving his own race, consorted exclusively with the lions. An old sly Fox, seeing this, said, “May I never make myself so ridiculous as you do in your pride and self-conceit; for even though you have the size of a lion among wolves, in a herd of lions you are definitely a wolf.””

                Among a group of pure-bred European-descended Aryans, a Jew is “definitely” a Jew.

                >You’re pretty anti-white if you assume mischlinges’ primary loyalty are to Jews since white genes are inferior.

                It’s not about “primary loyalty”. They’re biologically half-Jewish, that is, half-non-white, that is, non-white. Like Happas and Mulattoes. Happas and Mulattoes are non-white, and in the same way, for the same reason, Mischlings are non-white. Elliot Rodgers wasn’t white. Obama isn’t white. Your favorite Mischling — even though you are deeply fond of him — is not white. The issue isn’t some new-age-y “self-identification” crap. It’s a biological question that has a definite, testable biological answer.

                >See Moldbug

                Oh, come on. All the Mischlings involved with NRx — if you’ve been following closely, you know exactly who they are — have made shitty excuses for Jewish misbehavior, excuses that reveal an allegiance to Jews that could only stem from having Jewish genes, or from having a Jewish spouse (see: Nick Land). They’ve all attempted to “shill” for Jews. I don’t know when you discovered NRx and how deep you’ve dug into this rabbit hole, but over the last 3 years I’ve read exactly what Yarvin, Unamused (Karl) and Antidem have been saying about Jews, and how they conducted themselves in relation to their own Jewishness. You’re a damn fool if you think that being part-Jewish hasn’t dramatically affected their entire weltanschauung.

                Even their ability to tolerate “White Nationalism” is due solely to the fact that, being Jewish, thus not belonging to any specific White ethnicity, they’re disqualified from participating in the Nationalism of real European ethnicities (ethnic-racial German nationalism, ethnic-racial French nationalism, etc.), therefore they’ve latched-on to a queer form of “White Nationalism” that accepts Jews. They don’t feel sufficiently Jewish to be Jewish Nationalists, so they want to be let-in into a vague “White Nationalism” that accepts non-whites like themselves, hoping that it won’t be noticed that they don’t belong, attempting to blend in amidst an ocean of hybrid White “Mutts”. (Truly, they are neither fish nor fowl. Sad!) Well, it’s the current year, it isn’t 2012 anymore, and such insidious crypsis flies out the window now.

                Moldbug designed NRx so that it’ll preclude the emergence of genuine and therefore Jew-excluding White Nationalism within its ranks. It’s a Jewish trick.

                As Bakunin said, you need to kill the good father much more-so than killing the bad father. In this case, the good father isn’t even all that good. In case you’re too dense to realize the pertinence of the quote, let me spell it out to you: the Jews who pretend to be “on your side” are infinitely more dangerous than the ones who are openly hostile to you. They should be dealt with first.

                Jewish hubris, as Hitler observed, will be the Jews’ downfall. When they proclaim proudly their own Jewishness, instead of pretending to be “fellow White citizens” or “champions of Western Judeo-Christian Civilization and solid, staunch members thereof”, then you win. George Soros has contributed to authentic White Nationalism more than a million Moldbugs could.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  LOOOOOOL this is the longest comment I have ever seen on Jim’s blog.

                  So one thing I’m unclear on now is this. You seem to hate Jews assimilating and hate Jews not assimilating. Even if Moldbug is biased towards Jews, which I think is probably the case, it’s clear his bias is way lower than a full Jew and his kids will basically think they’re white. If Moldbug was a left wing Jewish nationalist he did the worst job in the world since without him lots of people wouldn’t even know the JQ.

                  Therefore, it seems to me that assimilating Jews is possible since when they become 1/4 or 1/8 Jewish, they would be white, which is happening now since there are a lot more whites than Jews. The problem with assimilation now is that they are assimilating to the Prog white class, but that’s a different problem. The whole point of 50% intermarriage is that eventually you’ll have a bunch of people who are 1/4 Jewish and higher IQ, which doesn’t sound bad.

                  In terms of the Haredis, what is your problem again? Haredis basically ban themselves from being high class due to the men having to study Torah all day (could be wrong but this is my impression). If all Jews become Haredis they will have basically purged themselves. The only thing you need to do is to get rid of welfare state so they can’t leach off the taxpayer, it’s not like they will be suicide bombing any time soon.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  Problem is when skypes intermarry, its usually with the most skype-like(pharisaical) subsets of the population, resulting in a founder effect, and ironically even *more* intensified proggist mania.

                • jim says:

                  Half blacks are a problem. Half Jews are only a problem if they think they are Jewish, and are therefore hostile to the white majority. The problem is culture, loyalty, and identification. Full Jews are apt to think whites are the enemy, and identify with the Muslims that conquered Spain, even though the Muslims murdered them and the Christians protected them – observe the strident propaganda against the crusades, but without the crusades, probably very few Jews would have survived.

                  If Jews did not think like that, would not be a problem. Half Jews don’t think like that.

                • Anonymous says:

                  >So one thing I’m unclear on now is this. You seem to hate Jews assimilating and hate Jews not assimilating.

                  I deny the very possibility of this “assimilation” you speak of, and wish to see a separation between Whites and Jews. Here, I have outlined my position that only violent antisemitism can incentivize and impel the Jews to make aliyah en masse to Israel. No one has convincingly refuted my argument thus far with a solid counter-argument.

                  >Even if Moldbug is biased towards Jews, which I think is probably the case, it’s clear his bias is way lower than a full Jew and his kids will basically think they’re white.

                  Perhaps they’ll think they’re white, if his wife is fully non-Jewish White, which isn’t at all clear from the pics I’ve seen. She looks quite Jewish, actually. And no, I don’t think Moldbug’s pro-Jewish bias is “lower than a full Jew” because there are ample self-hating full-Jews who hold Jews in a much lower esteem than Moldbug does.

                  >If Moldbug was a left wing Jewish nationalist he did the worst job in the world since without him lots of people wouldn’t even know the JQ.

                  Don’t know who red-pilled you on the JP, but as for me, it certainly wasn’t Moldbug. There was Andrew Joyce over at theoccidentalobserver (Kevin MacDonald’s blogging-network), who, while at times being disingenuous, wrote a decent series on Jewish self-deception. There was Ramzpaul, who made nice videos, pointing out “hmm, this guy coincidentally happens to be Jewish, hmm” in a few short minutes. The MPC forum which contains a multitude of astute observations about Jews. And the DailyStormer, which I began browsing “for the lulz”, but wound up browsing with earnest agreement. These are the main sources for the antisemitic newbie that I was a few years ago, in addition to various blogs, comment sections of blogs, books, etc. Admittedly, I was always receptive to the antisemitic message, but I still needed to actually receive it intelligently to get red-pilled about the JP.

                  >In terms of the Haredis, what is your problem again?

                  I wrote: “infusing general society with more Jewish blood [not confined to the Jewish ghetto, thus possibly exacerbating the intermarriage problem]”. They breed with astounding fecundity. They are an alien, hostile group. Enemies of the European races both biologically and culturally. Not at all dissimilar to bearded towelheaded fundamentalist Muslims, except they don’t blow themselves up. Having them is a loss, not having them is a benefit.

                  >If all Jews become Haredis they will have basically purged themselves. The only thing you need to do is to get rid of welfare state so they can’t leach off the taxpayer, it’s not like they will be suicide bombing any time soon.

                  If all Jews become hateful Talmudics who pump-out 7 children per woman, while it’s better than having Mischlings like Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin doing the ol’ nation-wrecker thing, that would demographically be horrible from the perspective of white people, just as if all Japanese or Chinese couples were having 7 children per woman while holding unto a misanthropic ethnocentric sham of a “religion”, that would be a demographic disaster for whites.

                  And demography, mind you, permeates culture, shapes it, DEFINES it. Once your heretofore white country becomes substantially Jewish/Arab/Black/Asian in terms of demography, so does your culture. Diversity (in significant numbers, both absolutely and proportionally) + proximity (the soil is not unlimited, the various groups clash when living in the same country) = animosity and yes, war. Avoid war by avoiding diversity, send the Jews to Israel.

                  And how do you send Jews — 100% of Jews, or 99%, or 95% — to Israel? Violent antisemitism. Propose another solution, or accept mine.

                • Anonymous says:

                  >Half Jews are only a problem if they think they are Jewish, and are therefore hostile to the white majority.

                  >If Jews did not think like that, would not be a problem. Half Jews don’t think like that.

                  If we didn’t already know that the Ashkenazi disposition toward leftism/progressivism, pozzedness, and various other negative traits of Ashkenazim, which are independent of whatever “ideology” they happen to hold at the moment, is in fact inborn due to Ashkenazi biology — that is: Ashkenazim are born that way, Whites aren’t born that way — then I’d concede your point. Today, however, with advances both in the realm of genetic studies and the widespread sharing of personal experiences and anecdotes over the internet, we know that “everything’s genetic”, and that regardless of ideology, there are certain negative traits of Ashkenazim, negative traits that have already been discussed at length elsewhere, with which Ashkenazim are born, and which make them incompatible with, and undesirable for, white societies.

                  “That’s what different countries are for.” – Steve Sailer

    • viking says:

      its not clear your tactics havnt already hit a ceiling or will soon

      • Anonymous says:

        American violent antisemitism not so much failed, as wasn’t even tried. When the Saxon begins to hate, it’ll seal the Jewish fate.

        • viking says:

          Seems to me even back when we were mostly default anti semetic we couldnt get a pro german policy going. And while theres been some meme success I think it hits a wall where for ever new convert you have inspired much more opposition both from jews and leftists and cuckserves and just folks.
          This is not to say theres not a jew question in need of an answer just dont think fourth reich is going to play.I think the anti semite branch of alt reaction ought to distance it self a bit for plausible deniability and continue raising awareness but try not to raise alarms, a little heavier on facts and lighter on the nazi stuff. make the case from the left that they are costing white power while preaching white privilege as the uber privileged.divide them from the other minorities and expose their special pleading, and anti white work. But dont threaten to exterminate or expel them. You want them to abandon the multicultural leftist project and work for white and west. Once you have white and west power again then you can do as you want with them

    • Corvinus says:

      So why don’t you, Anonymous, begin this process. Give us a field report on how you’re own personal Jihad against da Joos is going. But to ensure that you are actually following your own advice, you must provide your real name, address, and photograph lest you are nothing more than a coward for not practicing what you preach. If Jews are a huge problem in our country, it takes personal sacrifice on your part in order for the movement to reach a critical mass. Are you up for the challenge?

      • Anonymous says:

        Here’s the thing, Antifa: when the time is ripe for pogroms, your concern-trolling would actually be on-point. But as I’ve already said, I do not advocate for people here to go out Jew-hunting now. If I were a Fed, I’d tell you to go out, right now, and kill a bunch of Jews. While that wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing, you’ll assuredly end up in jail or dead. So instead of doing something retarded like that, it’s incumbent upon high-iq alt-righters to furnish the antisemitic environment in which it would be considered morally justified to go out and kill a bunch of Jews – or at least, not severely frowned upon, because everyone would hate Jews. When such an environment is created — and only when such an environment is created — you’ll see amazing things. Believe me, believe me.

        For the next decade, possibly two decades, possibly even three, the task should be persuasion and organization. Organization is mostly local so there’s no point delving into and expounding upon this part here. As for persuasion – why do you think I’m writing all these posts? My intention is not to convince dildo-shoving Antifas (you) and avowed philosemites of antisemitism, obviously. That would be an epic waste of time. My intention is to persuade the undecided fence-sitters, the curious lurkers who aren’t “there” yet, but who, with a helping hand to guide them and with the right encouragement, can be brought “there”.

        Even on this blog, candid discussion of the Jewish problem in all its manifestations, including the admission of its existence, and the entertaining of “sundry” solutions to it, was — albeit not exactly beyond the pale — not particularly fruitful, a few years ago that is. And not just here, but all over the NRx-o-sphere. In fact, that was the prevalent state of affairs all over the broader alt-right. Not anymore, leftie. Not anymore.

        What are you afraid of, leftie? That there will emerge a group of independent, “demonically persuasive” writers, speakers, and meme-magicians who can actually alter your preferred course of historical progress, who verily are capable of summoning, from beyond the void, the monster that you know will devour you?

        Relax, Antifa. If I’m not “demonically persuasive”, and no one else on the alt-right is, then surely, there’s nothing to be nervous about. R-Right??

  12. Steve Johnson says:

    “Jews should be excluded from state power in the US, and non Jews excluded from state power in Israel, thereby encouraging them to assimilate or move.”

    This is my vote and also way easier said than done. “State power” includes finance, academia, publishing, television, music and film, right? People work jobs that they’re familiar with and have seen their fathers work – who can introduce them to people, etc. Networking is very important for the smooth functioning of any industry because of trust and asymmetric information and the loads of informal learning and acculturation that happen.

  13. Steel T Post says:

    Why was The Borat Option not offered? It played well enough in Texas. 🙂

    Throw the Jew Down the Well
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

  14. viking says:

    Voted excluding from power to force assimilation, however.
    I doubt it would work that way.A move like that would make them flee.

    If we had the power to do that to them I have to assume we have the power to expel all non whites. Thats quite a lot of power, one could do practically anything with that much power.

    The jewish problem as I see it is, they end of ruling us which is not healthy.It doesnt matter if they do it well, its simply wrong. I think they cant be other than us and rule us well.I mean rule by nonwhites can never bring out the best in whites.Are they white enough is a tough question Its not clear their destructive streak would fade away once they could no longer identify themselves as other. It might turn out they are congenitally programmed to produce TV shows about tranny toddlers that wear ball gags.In other words assimilating them might be bad for us.Of course it might not. There is a case to be made it would be good for us to absorb their intelligence, if we could at the same time eradicate their sense of otherness.But this would be very tricky.anti semitism would trigger them to leave or go underground.If we were not on the verge of extinction do in large part from their evil, in other words if we had more time; the smart way is the way we are going, fuck them out of existence at harvard, while turning our nation reactionary politically so that they change their politics for social and economic reasons without fleeing or circling the wagons, but this would take another century.
    Even then Im not sure neoreaction is heavily jewish already and i see no reason a reactionary west couldn’t remain jew dominated. In fact I think quite a lot of reactionaries would be fine with that.I think their is a blind spot between ethnic resentment of jews and admiration of jews.Whites have been great without jews and could be again without jews we simply cant in their shadow.

    The question is are they [by which we mean the AKZ western jews] simply another mediterranean white race but one that too tenaciously hangs on to a separate sub identity that keeps it from assimilating.Or are they simply too different to be a part of a healthy european western project.

    • Cavalier says:

      One could do practically anything with that power, like make Mexico, Central America, South America, South East Asia, India, Africa, and the Middle East great as England once made America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand great.

      • Jack Highlands says:

        Even in the era of fossil fuels, geography still matters. Races are products of their environments. The tropical and sub-tropical world will never be as great as the temperate world. North America was ‘lucky’ the early colonization was mostly Anglo, but even that’s not really luck since better races settle in geographies where they thrive better. And even geology plays a role there, since W. Europe and Eastern N. America are techtonic sisters: appealing places for the same race.

        Hell, even the geography of sub-races matters. To a first order approximation, Canada and the USA are greater than Latin America because proud Germanics didn’t like to breed with feather Indians, whereas lonely soldiers of Iberian Mediterranean origin would stoop to it.

        And hell, sub-regional geography matters too. Chile is better than elsewhere in S America because the geography attracts a whiter, better class of European. Well, because of that plus helicopters, mi General.

        • Cavalier says:

          With modern technology, the entire planet is eminently habitable by euro man. Exhibit A: Florida. It used to be a swamp, now it’s extensively cultivated. A/C, vaccines, swamp-draining, and city-building. Also see Dubai, which was built out of nothing in the middle of a desert.

          Which places are nice and which are not are today just accidents of history carrying on the inertia of which places were most convenient to settle in the 18th and 19th centuries.

          • Jack Highlands says:

            I admit to having an axe to grind here, derived from Sailer’s idea that races tend to recede to their natural geography. He came up with this years ago when he was thinking about the Reconquista – basically it’s Amerindian genes in slightly altered form – mestizos – reconquering CA and the SW.

            Here are some local problems with your idea: Latin America is the history of India on chronological steroids: high status, ruling-class Aryans gradually become brown. Cuba, and Cuban Americans are slower on this treadmill than other parts of Latin America, but they cannot resist it: the recent demographic history of Florida is one of browning, and old Jews and other snowbirds long past their reproductive years won’t change that.

            Dubai is all so new that I have no idea how it will play out, but the demographics on the ground are roughly 25% despotic tan natives form the ruling class, 25% White managerial class actually running matters, and 50% brown Paki underclass manning the scaffolds.

            Here is the general problem with your idea: in the long run, territories are conquered genetically by non-airconditioned breeders in the countryside with above replacement fertility, not by urbanites with below-replacement fertility.

            • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

              Urbanites have below replacement fertility because of feminism. Get rid of feminism. Without subsidies for divorce (“child support”, “alimony”) and affirmative action for women fertility would recover. See numerous posts on Jim’s blog.

            • jim says:

              Here is the general problem with your idea: in the long run, territories are conquered genetically by non-airconditioned breeders in the countryside with above replacement fertility, not by urbanites with below-replacement fertility.

              I would like to see data on white fertility in Dubai. I recall an anecdote from a Dubai expat woman: She was about to leave her husband – then she realized she would need her husband’s permission to leave Dubai, would need him to alter the status of her credit cards, etc, that she really needed his permission to leave him, which of course he was unlikely to give, and they had a happy reconciliation – the subtext being that when she realized her husband was backed by state power and might well use that power against her he became more manly in her eyes.

              The big magic of Jews is that urban orthodox Jews have above replacement fertility, because of socially enforced cooperation between males and females.

              If we don’t find a way to have urban above replacement fertility, we are going to turn into Nigerians, and we will need Jews to rule just to keep the water and power on.

              • Jack Highlands says:

                Nice anecdote. I’d guess a major sub-text for her concocting her plan to leave him in the first place was ‘how could he bring me to this patriarchal Hell?’ Soon, she changed her tune.

                The irony.

      • viking says:

        Id need to see how we dont get bogged down in colonialism. But yes in theory once we were again indisputably hegemonic we could do whatever the fucck we wanted, I have wondered if bidding to colonialize [manage] nigger countries in return for payment in natural resources might be a workable ,model.I think its risky to get involved. If we just sterilize them the slants might get the idea they were next

        • Cavalier says:

          Not colonialism, which failed everywhere it was tried.

          Settling, which succeeded nearly everywhere it was tried, namely America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, and failed where it wasn’t executed strictly enough, namely South Africa.

  15. Gil says:

    Simple exclusion from state power isn’t sufficient. And add affirmative action to ensure Jews aren’t disproportionately represented in any influential occupation. Otherwise, Kristallnacht.

    • jim says:

      Affirmative action is terrible, since it daily demonstrates the inferiority of its supposed beneficiaries.

      Jews do not harm us by becoming doctors, by becoming scientists, by becoming businessmen. They benefit us by doing such work. They harm us the way George Soros harms us: By exercising political power.

      • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

        You never win if you don’t take your own side.

        You don’t owe aliens anything. Be they jewnese, chinese, or indianese. There is no reason in giving them the benefit of your professorships, of your doctorates, of your sinecures, appointments, and executive offices.

        Let them do such things for the benefit of their own people, and you for the benefit of your own people.

        Then you can please God by engaging in explicit and overt rivalry and arms races, where Creation is elevated when one Avatar can rise above all and eliminate its competition, casting them down to oblivion.

        • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

          “Your people” are the ones who are taking 50% of your income and using it to subsidize NAMs to terrorize and kill the likes of you. Do you feel solidarity with Hilary Clinton or your local EEOC head? Allying with the white mob to attack productive whites and other races is just early stage leftism (Progressive Era and New Deal) which is disastrous and bound to lead to the current version of leftism.

          • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

            Step 1. to not spending 50% of your income to subsidize aliens: recognize aliens as the out-group.

            This is simple stuff mao.

            • Cavalier says:

              The aliens are just convenient disposal units of your hard-earned wealth. They have no power of their own, they are the justification for the redistributive state which lies at the foundation of our social order. They are the club used to bash you over the head. Note the passive voice; the question is: who is speaking?

              • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                Shitlibs (rhetorically) in-group shitskins and out-group their coethnic red tribe compatriots. This is a basic failure of coordination.

                The problem is Love, which is hate for ones neighbor; and the solution is Hate, which is love for ones neighbor.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  Leftists in-group NAMs over middle class whites for the same reason Roman nobles in-group German mercenaries over Roman peasants – because it’s useful for them to have a militia and justification for stealing everyone’s money and redistributing to themselves. The key is to get rid of leftist rule and democracy as a whole, not ensuring that only white crack whores get welfare. If you get rid of voting, the welfare and regulatory state I don’t see why having productive people of other races would be bad. Why did the American right in the 1800s support Chinese immigration?

                  http://www.mshistorynow.mdah.ms.gov/articles/86/mississippi-chinese-an-ethnic-people-in-a-biracial-society

                  Fighting leftism by in-grouping the white mob (I guess Trigglypuff is your “compatriot”) is a stupid idea because consistent leftism will win over inconsistent leftism. Even if you win, restoring the New Deal will just ensure the US will collapse through out of control welfare spending and below replacement fertility instead of demographic replacement.

                • pdimov says:

                  “Why did the American right in the 1800s support Chinese immigration?”

                  Let’s see.

                  “As time passed and more and more Chinese migrants arrived in California, violence would often break out in cities such as Los Angeles.”

                  “In 1879, California adopted a new Constitution, which explicitly authorized the state government to determine which individuals were allowed to reside in the state, and banned the Chinese from employment by corporations and state, county or municipal governments.”

                  This reminds me of something.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  I posted an example from the South because I think we can all agree the right wing credentials of the Confederates cannot be questioned.

                  So, who were the type of people that opposed the Confederates and supported the restriction of Chinese immigration in California?

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Kearney

                  “called “a demagogue of extraordinary power, he frequently gave long and caustic speeches that focused on four general topics: contempt for the press, for capitalists, for politicians, and for Chinese immigrants.” Yep, let’s keep supporting leftism in the 1800s, those Irish rabble rousers are just the type of people that are your compatriots. Not.

                • pdimov says:

                  “I don’t see why having productive people of other races would be bad.”

                  Because negative externalities. They consume societal capital without contributing to it, which is not reflected in the ordinary measures of productivity. Everyone stays amazingly productive and yet things keep deteriorating.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  “violence would often break out in cities such as Los Angeles”

                  Still far safer than modern Los Angeles on any metric. The violence happened because of leftist gangs which the government implicitly encouraged. You’re literally defending the white equivalent of Trayvon Martin.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  “They consume societal capital without contributing to it”

                  What exactly are you referring to? Chinese could not vote in 1800s America and as I have said before they should not vote, any more than whites should be a part of the Chinese government.

                • pdimov says:

                  “a demagogue”

                  In other words, someone who was saying what people wanted to be said.

                  The history of America’s immigration laws is basically an instructive example of what happens when your preferred policy is applied. It doesn’t work, and laws are gradually passed to make it not work less, until at the end we eventually arrive at “only admit white people” because it’s the only one that works.

                • pdimov says:

                  “Still far safer than modern Los Angeles on any metric.”

                  That’s not the point. The point is that “violence would often break out” is option Kristallnacht in the quiz, and “banned from government” is option “exclude Jews from government” from the quiz.

                  So what’s interesting here, given the topic, is that California went through the options on the Chinese Question until at the end the Chinese were banned on national level.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  Are you arguing Denis Kearney was not a socialist and leftist subversive? His speech:

                  ”When I have thoroughly organized my party, we will march through the city and compel the thieves to give up their plunder. I will lead you to the City Hall, clean out the police force, hang the Prosecuting Attorney, burn every book that has a particle of law in it, and then enact new laws for the workingmen.”

                  Does this sound like the type of people that are your compatriots? The reason leftists attacked Chinese immigrants in 1800s is to beat their right wing and libertarian enemies, and their victory on this was a step towards further disasters. Having an immigration policy that imports Chinese railway workers and excludes people like Denis Kearney is clearly an improvement over the reverse.

                • pdimov says:

                  “What exactly are you referring to?”

                  Trust gradually breaks down in high trust societies when you introduce a foreign element. Reliance on trust makes a society more efficient but also less resilient and more fragile. High trust societies can’t tolerate diversity, it kills them.

                • pdimov says:

                  “Having an immigration policy that imports Chinese railway workers and excludes people like Denis Kearney is clearly an improvement over the reverse.”

                  Fine, knock yourself out.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  Point I am making is that the campaign of kicking Chinese out from California resulted in increased power, women and prestige for leftists like Denis Kearney, who are objectively your enemies, and further spread the idea that the White mob should rule, which was very bad for America going forward.

                  If you actually read the articles published by people in the period, it’s pretty clear that all the people who advocated Chinese exclusion were the SJWs of their time. Importing some Chinese is going to decrease social trust but being ruled by leftist demagogues is going to decrease it more. if you look at the south, there was very little racial violence between whites and chinese, because the leftists did not rule there. Were the Confederates race cucks?

                • pdimov says:

                  It’s pretty simple, really. Import Chinese, get China. It’s not that China is bad, per se, but if I want China, I want where to find it.

                • pdimov says:

                  *know

              • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                ‘The small ming thinks in binary and cannot choose both.’

          • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

            Your trains of thought are confused.

            >coethnics outgrouping each other is a problem.

            >’oh yeah? well look at all these *other* points in history where coethnics outgrouped each other.’

            Yes, exactly, look at what happened to them.

            A family is a community is a nation is a race is an extended family. Both atomism and universalism are ‘un-nucleated’ states where truly great and powerful Entities cannot Form and compete with each other on higher levels.

            Step back and marvel at the spectacle; what do you see? A foreigner trying to get natives to ingroup him through out-grouping some sub-set of the natives. What else can one expect? It is inevitable, even well meaning aliens cannot help but be subversive when they try to get entry.

            • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

              ps down with anti-trust laws; corporate feudalism now.

            • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

              “It is inevitable, even well meaning aliens cannot help but be subversive when they try to get entry.”

              As if I didn’t have entry lmao.

              Dude if I’m trying to be subversive I would name my handle “Jack Daniels” or something, the reason I picked this handle is to make my background and position clear.

              I find this blog interesting and innovative, but that’s cause of Jim. I don’t really care if you ingroup me, I like exploring new ideas, but so far you guys aren’t really convincing me. My main point is not you should ingroup me, but you should not ingroup people like Trigglypuff and Denis Kearney.

              • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                Recognizing aliens is easy; recognizing heretics is hard.

                It makes sense to be circumspect when policing your fellows for heresy, because such is a common vector for the chronic disloyalty syndrome of leftists to express itself in particular, and for singularities in general.

                Accurately identifying heretics takes greater powers of good judgment, and more, it takes more information.

                As someone presumably familiar with libertarian theory, im sure you can appreciate the fact that, *information is costly*.

                Ideologically policing a multi-ethnic society is impossible; for the same reason that trying to tell which out of every thousand immigrants you let through is a terrorist or criminal is impossible.

                There is not a single successful example in history.

                Diversity is not a strength.

              • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                Sure, most nonwhites are disloyal to America, I know this personally from numerous convos. So ban nonwhites from the political system, which I advocate and Jim has advocated. Does not mean you should kick them out if they’re contributing. China and Singapore have a ton of whites and they are on net contributing.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  That kind of superficial utilitarianism is why cuckservatives and libertarians have always found themselves on the losing side of history.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  Incidentally, i personally would not look fondly on those whites in china if i were you; if/when they accrue more advantage, they will naturally try to justify them having them in the host nation, and such justifications will inevitably be subversive and can be used to justify even more subversive things beyond even the initial intended scope. Ideas have consequences and externalities. Such is the common failure mode.

                  Perhaps that might be the exception though since whites are the ‘model minority’ and everyone in the world can’t get enough of them it seems.

                • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                  Pseudo-chrysostom, I had a debate with some of your WN friends before on whites in China and how they are stealing our women and spreading proggism so I am well aware of the problems. I think it was on “Replacing Obamacare”. China has the basic Cathedral set up where whites are playing role of Jews, Tibetans Hispanics, Muslims Blacks etc.

                  But I simply do not see major problems arising if a right wing restoration where the family and market become prominent again, the biggest problems are with subversion of the state which I believe can be dealt with without violence.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  Rol-kun, i just want us all to have a dramatic fight to the death for the right of existence. Is that too much to ask for?

            • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

              You guys vastly overestimate the power of genes. Sharing 1/millionth of your genes with someone else does not really increase your cohesion with them much. There are other factors like religion and economic incentives that are more powerful, although race cannot be neglected. Otherwise, the British Raj would not be conquered by a 90+% brown army.

              • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                >You guys vastly overestimate the power of genes.

                It is always a good cause to stop for a moment and engage in some introspection when one finds oneself trotting out proggist talking points.

              • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                Well, at least i’m not supporting 1800s proggism.

                Genes are clearly important for transmitting intelligence, time preference, work ethic etc, but I do not see it transmitting cohesion that much. There is a cohesion bonus but it’s not that big, otherwise white progs would not be hunting you guys down. To me your ideology involves a mystical unity of all whites which does not exist, just like leftism involves a mystical unity of all people that does not exist.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/False_dilemma

                  “A false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, false binary, black-and-white thinking, bifurcation, denying a conjunct, the either–or fallacy, fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, fallacy of the excluded middle, the fallacy of false choice, or the fallacy of the false alternative) is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an either-or situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option. “

      • Gil says:

        Jews harm us by brainwashing our children in school, by corrupting our culture in the movies and TV, by lying to us in all their various news media. Direct political control isn’t the only thing they should be prevented from dominating. If they stuck to doing useful work I’d have no problem with them at all.

        • Corvinus says:

          Yep, those Jews brainwash everyone. So, rather than complain about it, why not physically do something about it? Good whites are counting on you, Gil.

  16. Robert says:

    I am not convinced assimilation is possible. If you are born and grow up knowing you are a Jew (even part Jew), it seems in your mind you are always a Jew. Even if you intermarry, even if you become Christian (messianic Jews) they still see themselves as Jew.

    In Spain they “assimilated” by converting, but Spain still had issues. It seems to me that any option that allows assimilation will simply kick the can down the road. I have worked with Jews for years, sometimes not even knowing they were Jews for years. They all tend to be conservative, we talk about guns and how much we hate Obama, but they were very apprehensive about Trump. They are always paranoid about being shoahed. It seems to me that their core allegiance will always be with Jews. (71% of Jews voted for Hillary.)

    I am also not convinced that they will leave voluntarily, even if they are excluded from power. America is much better than Israel, quality of life wise. I have asked Jews why they don’t move to Israel, and they’re some of the same reasons I don’t want to move back to Britain, I have family here, I was born here, I like it here, I don’t have to worry about Muslims here, etc..

    The exclusion from power thing will be tricky, they can always work through proxies, through whites who are sympathetic to them. In so-cal we have these “minority owned businesses”, they are owned by some Mexican lady, but she doesn’t have anything to do with actually running the business.

    They wont assimilate, and they won’t move. It seems to me like we have to live with them as we do now, or we kick them out using force.

    • Jack Highlands says:

      Good point about Spain, but ‘still had problems’ is a vast understatement. Spain began forcing Jews to choose between expulsion and forced conversion in the late 1400’s, because they were pulling the kind of tricks with Muslims that your SoCal Jews are pulling with ‘minority owned businesses,’ except it was a far more violent, dangerous array of tricks.

      When it quickly became obvious that the conversions were for lip service only, Spain established the Inquisition to root out malevolent cryptos: this went on for four centuries. Within a century of the last Inquisition, world Jewry was starting to make itself felt again in Spain, and shortly came a priest-murdering civil war with communists, then Vatican Two and apologies to Jews, then synagogues, and vast numbers of mosques – those ‘minority-owned businesses’ again – erected all over Spain.

      Moral of the story: even given six centuries, it is extremely difficult to separate from Jews. But we have to try.

    • Jack says:

      You are exactly correct, Robert.

      “A race of the mind is something more solid, more durable than just a race, pure and simple. Transplant a German to the United States and you turn him into an American. But the Jew remains a Jew wherever he goes, a creature which no environment can assimilate. It is the characteristic mental make-up of his race which renders him impervious to the processes of assimilation.”

    • viking says:

      I agree in as much as the jewish problem is exactly that they can not assimilate they have proved for thousands of years they are assimilation proof, they have also proved even when officially excluded from power they find ways to gain outsized power anyway.

      So the only “assimilation I am discussing and assumed was a given is a total biological assimilation whereby jews do not know they are jews.This would require forced marriages and genetics editing.

      • jim says:

        A lot of Jews in America are assimilating right now.

        Jews are not assimilation proof. Rather, Jews that identify as Jews tend to somewhat resist the decadence that causes the rest of us to fail to reproduce. So Jews keep assimilating, but a core that does not assimilate keep growing. The fix to to that is to correct our own decadence, not to attack Jews for resisting it.

        • Cloudswrest says:

          Cochran calls this “boiling off”, leaving a higher concentrate.

        • Erebus says:

          I agree. And, practically speaking, I feel as though nothing in particular need be done, least of all a progrom. None would accuse me of having much sympathy for the Jews, but I believe that the best counsel is for wisdom and patience — those two traits that the Jews most conspicuously lack.

          Of all demographic problems, the Jewish Problem is both the most inherently self-limited and the most demonstrably self-correcting. Jews presently intermarry at a rate nearly three times that of Hispanics and Asians. (70% vs. roughly 25% for each of the latter.) This is historically unprecedented — it was certainly not the case in medieval Spain or 19th Century Europe. Give US Jews a mere couple of generations, and they’ll disappear more or less entirely. The grandchildren of Mischlings are hardly “Jewish,” if Jewishness is an ethnic trait.

          The Jews are, furthermore, presently being spit-out by the Left’s coalition of the fringes. Take a look at left-wing activism on University campuses; in practical terms, it’s as antisemitic as anything the far-right could come up with. And, in fact, the Jews appear to fear it far more! BDS, not the Alt Right, appears to have become something of an obsession with Israelis — even at the highest levels of their government.

          Let the leftists devour each other. Actively discriminate against openly religious and conspicuous Jews to encourage assimilation or emigration. Then let the chips fall where they may.

          • Jack Highlands says:

            You misunderstand or misrepresent the Jewish evolutionary strategy. Outbreeding liberal Jews spreading pozz represent merely an expansion of the long tradition of merchant Jews marrying upper class Gentiles – what you describe is the spread of this to upper middle class Jews and Whites, which has also been going on for quite awhile, and increasing. The net result is the creation of groups of cultural Jews who resemble the host population in appearance, thus increasing their acceptance, but do not resemble them in group interests including, among White Europeans, moral interests.

            Meanwhile, ultra-orthodox Jews carry on a separate existence with extraordinarily high fertility. There is no reason to suppose they have a lower average IQ than secular Jews; indeed, the traditional rewarding of the best legalistic scholarship among their men with fertile wives and resources for their children is thought to be a large eugenic contributor to high Jewish verbal IQ in the first place. Nor are they averse to advancing their math, legal and business skills in fleecing the goyim.

            Because some members of this group will always depart from the conformity, just as some Amish do, they provide an omnipresent breeding pool that replenishes the supply of secular Jews. Some of these marry Whites, etc.

            Rinse and repeat.

            • Erebus says:

              I’ve run some loose calculations, and you’re correct in that the Jews will not disappear entirely… but their numbers, over the next two generations, are going to decline precipitously.

              True, the Orthodox Jews reproduce at a rapid clip — I’ve seen a TFR of 4.1 for that sub-population — but they make up only about 10% of the total Jewish population in the USA right now. The others hardly reproduce at all, and the Orthodox can’t breed fast enough to make up for the rapid decline in the secular Jewish population. Besides, the Orthodox voluntarily exclude themselves from positions of real political, economic, and cultural power. Some are slum-lords, others are welfare recipients, still others make a living scamming insurance companies… but they don’t actually rule anything, and their influence is minimal.

              Yes, some of the Orthodox will turn to secularism. You’re still looking at an exceedingly steep decline in Jewish numbers. Whatever levers of power they currently hold, their grip is loosening. This is better than you’d get with a progrom.

              Thought experiment: Imagine present trends continue unabated, what would the USA of 2117 look like? Seems to me that it would look more or less like Brazil — but worse, due to a large Muslim minority. You can argue that the Jews are working to manufacture this outcome, but the majority denizens of that particular future dystopia are going to be 85-IQ subhumans. Their numbers are on the rise, just as those of whites and Jews decline.

              Of all demographic problems, the Jewish Problem is perhaps the only one that’s resolving itself. There are more pressing problems which are accelerating, and which may soon spiral out of control. Those need to be attended to — at very high priority. But the Jews are destroying themselves; their decline is assured. Just have patience.

              • Jack Highlands says:

                Thanks- seems I should’ve included a third possibility for why you left out the ultra-Orthodox at first: the desire for brevity.

                I hope you are right about the numbers -it’s great to see someone model it instead of just verbalize like me. However, it does raise a point I dwell on inwardly a ton: what is the right frame of action for someone who, at least in part, knows the score?

                So for example, if your model of dwindling Jewry is correct, it would still take longer than I have to live (I’m mid 50’s) to even start to play out.

                On an even longer timeframe, I’m sure I’m not the only one to independently conceive this idea: if the foreign Ashkenazim did not exist, we high-trust NW Europeans would evolve a deceptive, parasitic caste from our own stock that would reproductively isolate themselves over time and become, effectively, Jews. My guess is, that absent widespread self-awareness of our nature and its threats, this is inevitable in a high-trust race.

                But that idea would presumably require a few centuries at a minimum: longer even than your demographic collapse of secular Jewry.

                To an extent, all this is just intellectual rationalizing of our current fate, interesting and truthful as it may be. Meanwhile, we remain slaves to a parasitic group that disguises the nepotistic half of their victory as pure merit while accusing us of ‘insufficient work ethic there, goy’ and ‘too bad you’re not just a little more intelligent, goy.’

                Simple justice demands retribution against them.

                • Erebus says:

                  Well, we both know that the Jewish “core” in America is the ultra-orthodox community. Without them, Jews will quite literally dwindle to nothing With a laughably low TFR, and an intermarriage rate of 70% and rising, secular American Jews are dissolving themselves. But the Orthodox persist, in their enclaves, and ensure the continuity of the Jewish population. This is a great problem. Fortunately, there are a number of interesting, painless, and even honorable solutions.

                  For one, eminently reasonable bans on certain kinds of barbarous religious practice — for e.g., circumcision and Halal/Kosher animal slaughter — would kill two birds with one stone; both observant Jews & observant Muslims would immediately seek to emigrate.

                  Moreover, the private religious day-schools of the Ultra-Orthodox can, without question, be shuttered on account of the poor and imbalanced educations they offer. New York State, for instance, has fairly stringent curriculum requirements, which those day-schools do not meet. (This is fairly well known in NY, but, sadly, the laws go unenforced.)

                  The Orthodox Jews can, furthermore, be given various positive incentives to emigrate to Israel, which I’m certain would be glad to have them.

                  There’s surely much, much more I could add, but my point is simply that there are practical ways to get this problem sorted out… Or at least moving in the right direction. To the Ultra-Orthodox Jew, religion is of paramount importance; if he cannot practice his religion here, he will pack his bags and go elsewhere. Besides, there’s some poetic justice in turning the favored tools of the modern Jew — the law and leftism — against them.

                  In any case, I believe I understand you completely. Here’s hoping that something gets done.

        • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

          Skypes can be assimilated the same way nignogs, beaners, or sand-kips can be assimilated.

          Which is to say, not at all, and thinking otherwise is fantasy.

          The only way competing ethnities are ever ‘assimilated’ in history is by the complete obliteration of that ethnity.

          In any case miscegenation results in out-breeding depression results in mental and physical health disorders, which is why modern ashkenazim are the world leading providers of psycho nutcases.

        • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

          “In any case miscegenation results in out-breeding depression results in mental and physical health disorders”

          Have you been to Latin America?

          • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

            I know, just look at it.

            Marxist hellholes as far as the eye can see.

          • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

            “Marxist hellholes as far as the eye can see.”

            I don’t disagree, but back when they were ruled by Spanish lords with whips they were doing fine (see Diaz). Get rid of state department and I expect the death squads will quickly clean out the leftists.

            Anyways my point is that as far as I can see they have way lower rates of mental disease or breakdown. If anything I think the Anglos have a way worse ability to enjoy life compared to when I interacted with them.

            • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

              ‘enjoy life’ lol whtf is tihs sht? That doessn’t sound like someone dedicated enough to the universal war of extermination praise gnon.

              • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

                My point proven.

                The worst part about Anglo society is the constant virtue signaling. You guys always have to either be creating God’s Kingdom on Earth, making the world safe for democracy, liberating the proletariat, in your case “universal war of extermination” or some other bullshit that wrecks people’s live. Chill out. When I interact with other races including my own people they’re concerned about their own life and family.

                If Anglos had stuck with libertarianism after 1776 none of our current problems would exist and immortality would probably be invented by now.

                • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

                  “I don’t practice what I preach because I’m not preaching to myself.”

                  – J. R. “Bob” Dobbs

  17. pdimov says:

    A better poll would ask the question “if a Jew states in public that the white race is the cancer of human history, the source of all evil, and has to disappear for evil to disappear from the world, what needs to happen to him?”

    Then, once you collect the answers to that, ask the same question with Jew/white reversed, and marvel.

    • Jack Highlands says:

      My vote for Comment of the Year. Try to top it over the next 339 days, yawl.

    • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

      Maybe I’m dense but what results exactly are you expecting? given the readership of this blog.

    • Cavalier says:

      Jew -> White race = impromptu flaying

      White -> Jew race = nothing

      What are you expecting?

    • jim says:

      Given the audience of this blog, I would expect the answers would be “Get rid of that Jew” and “No enemies to the right”

      • pdimov says:

        Official Inquisition policy?

      • Corvinus says:

        Action, not answers. Action, as in forcibly removing Jews, isn’t going to happen here among the participants of this fine blog. It’s more like a bitch session among men who, when push comes to shove, lack the guts to go all Anders Breivik. You would rather hope that someone does the dirty work for you, then revel in their guts and courage.

  18. Oliver Cromwell says:

    You can’t assimilate anyone. Personality is racial, just like intelligence. The same ideology in the minds of peoples with different personality types will result in very different societies, just as relatively authentic Christianity in Nigeria doesn’t turn Lagos into 16th century Milan.

    The Jewish personality is one of irrational virtue signalers. The way to make this maladaptive is to internalise the costs os irrational virtue signaling: libertarianism. Removing just Jews, either from the electoral rolls or from the country, is unlikely to be permanent. In that case you will have to kill them all.

    You can’t exclude an adaptive weed from the environment. You can only change the environment so that the weed is no longer adaptive.

    • viking says:

      Jews are a weed that has proven to be adaptive to everything thrown at it short of extermination camps and even then here they are.
      I think the only assimilation worth talking about is making them biologically impossible to identify themselves and that we have the tech to do.

      • jim says:

        Reproduction requires cooperation. Men and women get stuck in prisoners dilemma, and fail to reproduce. Jews who think themselves Jewish socially enforce cooperation between Jews, facilitating reproduction. Hence when the outside society is too decadent to enforce cooperation between men and women, Jewish Jews (unlike prog Jews) have a higher reproduction rate. Thus the number of people who think themselves Jewish continues to increase, despite massive assimilation.

        • Oliver Cromwell says:

          I find this a little grasping. Progressive Jews generally do culturally identify as Jewish, but they do not have many children. Religious Jews generally have much more offensive ideological views, but they also keep to themselves if they are left alone, rather than worming their way into the host country’s institutions.

          Progressive Jews are murdering themselves, which proves they are not doing all the things they do as part of a self-interested conspiracy. They are just born with Jewish personalities.

      • Oliver Cromwell says:

        The severity of Jews is always in proportion to the power of government. When government was weak, mostly people ignored the opinions of Jews, and stupid opinions tended to only eliminate one’s own genes from the pool, not those of many bystanders. Compare the Jews of the USSR to the Jews of 18th century England.

        By all means try to send them back to Israel but it will be a hell of a lot easier to send back the Jews after rolling back the state than before it. I concede this is a chicken and egg problem.

        Assimilating them by marriage will turn elite Whites Jewish, since personality is heritable. This can easily make our problems worse.

        • Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

          LOL finally found a libertarian more right wing on the JQ than I am.

          Would Jews continue to be leftists if a minimal, right-wing state is established? I think Jews tend to be the most extreme at whatever the ruling ideology is. Modern Libertarianism is also pretty Jewish dominated but Mises and Rothbard were not leftist subversives.

          • Oliver Cromwell says:

            Jews aren’t leftists, they’re just Jews. They, or at least a too large fraction of them, try to gain status by holiness signaling with Talmudic nonsense. They will keep doing this in a libertarian country. We will still get Freudianism and various other self-limited cults in a libertarian country, some of which will succeed in extracting money and women from gentiles. We will not get the Killing Fields or even tranny bathrooms.

          • jim says:

            Jews are naturally priests. If you have regime in which the priesthood runs amuck, Jews will run amuck. If you don’t, they wont.

            • Pseudo-chrysostom says:

              The meta-problem is that skypes are intrinsically prone and motivated to work towards states of affairs where priesthood runs amok.

              “When all you have is a hammer…”

  19. Erik says:

    Surely it’s a bit of everything. Jews are overrepresented among the Problem Class due to some uncertain combination of IQ and nepotism, semites have done a lot of bad things and antisemites have done a lot of bad things but asking everyone to do fewer bad things is unhelpful, diversity plus proximity _sans prosperity_ leads to war (people will tolerate a lot if they can feel themselves and their kith and kin doing better), et cetera. About the only item I’d rule out is Kristallnacht; most unformalist.

  20. viking says:

    Think of sports, Africans have pushed whites out, even part africans identify as africans and do better at sports.Gifted white HS players cant play in their own schools, Hs schools will go into the hood and recruit a hoodlum to their school to take the place of the whites, The white girls will cheer the black heros. We build schools stadiums and programs, profession teams and franchises worth billion if not trillions because some of us waste our lives watching this.
    Yes sure its nice to see the very best compete against each other in the olympics, well it would be if it had any meaning for westerners now its a contest of whos recruited the best hood niggers for the olympics. What is the point? The point used to be the fun of the game and what it did for us , US. Now do you really think an all black team could beat an all white team, i mean the coaches owners recruiters and everyone strictly by race. It might take a few years to get enough whites interested and determined again but I think in the long run they win. Maybe not but the point is the black players are benefiting from white effort, that hood rat would be dealing drugs if not for the whites effort to turn him into a star athlete. This is a problem with jews, they do not contribute to the infrastructure, to the civilizational maintenance they step in at the last moment to be stars. Look at Israel its OK but when they have to actually build a nation rather than exploit one they dont do as well, and what does this cost us, how many Idaho farm boys are simply brilliant machinists because harvard doesnt need to look farther than a few suburbs for talent.Ans how does this effect our cultural confidence, our ability to organize. The costs of diversity are staggering.

    • Jack Highlands says:

      Nice post. I hope a few of those Idaho machinists are busy gain-twisting, making full auto receivers and other advanced techniques, and at some impressive calibers.

  21. bob k. mando says:

    if you were to exclude Jews from financial power … they might all self deport?

  22. TheBigH says:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/01/jews-are-enemy-of-old-europe.html

    The Jews have declared themselves enemies of our civilization. We’d be foolish not to treat them as such.

  23. FinalSolution says:

    This poll contains only one right answer if there is to ever, finally, be a cure to this problem – It involves fire!

  24. jim says:

    Commenting has become repetitious because some people are obsessed by Jews.

    If you think too much about people in outgroups, it is bad for your sanity.

    I have therefore disabled comments, as commenters are becoming boring, saying the same thing over and over and over.

  25. Reactionary Oriental Libertarian says:

    LMAO.

    What did you expect given your blog audience Jim? I think the commentators have shifted severely towards Nazism ever since B left.